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The Jedi Shadow Handbook v2.0

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The Jedi Shadow Handbook v2.0

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Zintair
04.19.2012 , 09:41 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by SAMIELL View Post
I want to say the same however all testing I have done is getting me the same dps numbers +\- 50 dps. Prob due to crits. Balance comes out as the go to spec not due to dps but due to utility/self heals. I'm comfortable with my healers so I roll infil due to less procs to watch and more awareness in each fight.
In the end pick the spec you're best at. Not the one that has the best theoretical dps.
Basically this!
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Ecmelt
04.20.2012 , 04:47 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by SAMIELL View Post
I want to say the same however all testing I have done is getting me the same dps numbers +\- 50 dps. Prob due to crits. Balance comes out as the go to spec not due to dps but due to utility/self heals. I'm comfortable with my healers so I roll infil due to less procs to watch and more awareness in each fight.
In the end pick the spec you're best at. Not the one that has the best theoretical dps.
Problem with your last sentence is that....both specs are pretty easy to play. There are not any hard specs in PvE to be perfectly honest. So people should pick the spec gives best dps. Unless they are playing casually and are not expected to bring the best they can.. but then most of the talk here becomes rubbish in that matter anyway.

It's always 2 roads: Do what you like and can do best, know basics. OR Do what your class can do best, know everything.

Balance does more dps AND has a self healing (very little) and 15% less damage from periodics. While infiltration has 30% less damage from AoE has less dps - better burst. Which leads to balance being the superior for the road 2. For road 1 nothing really matters.

Note: I've been an infil player since the start cleaned all content on my server republic-first etc that way. So i have no hatred for any spec. Infil is perfectly viable.. but if you wipe at 2% at any boss it's your fault for not being balance.

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Anrew
04.20.2012 , 09:51 AM | #83
Saw some reference on a parsing thread for shadows towards 7/31/3

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Ecmelt
04.20.2012 , 11:29 AM | #84
Anyone know how much DPS 'Situtational Awareness' add? ignoring the whilrwind.

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Faldlrgn
04.20.2012 , 01:53 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Ecmelt View Post
Problem with your last sentence is that....both specs are pretty easy to play. There are not any hard specs in PvE to be perfectly honest. So people should pick the spec gives best dps. Unless they are playing casually and are not expected to bring the best they can.. but then most of the talk here becomes rubbish in that matter anyway.

It's always 2 roads: Do what you like and can do best, know basics. OR Do what your class can do best, know everything.

Balance does more dps AND has a self healing (very little) and 15% less damage from periodics. While infiltration has 30% less damage from AoE has less dps - better burst. Which leads to balance being the superior for the road 2. For road 1 nothing really matters.

Note: I've been an infil player since the start cleaned all content on my server republic-first etc that way. So i have no hatred for any spec. Infil is perfectly viable.. but if you wipe at 2% at any boss it's your fault for not being balance.

To be perfectly honest. most people are going to play the spec they want to play. If your op/ FP group wipes at 2% there are more factors than just dps. such as:

Did someone die ? If
so How early? Was it their fault ( stood in fire )?
Or was it the healers fault for not being more aware of raid health?
Was it the tanks fault for not having enough Threat
Or did the tank die because he didn't rotate his cooldowns properly or save them for a specific mechanic?

Just being the best spec. 2% in an ops group is the difference between every critting and not over the course of the fight. One person cannot be specifically blamed on a 2% wipe. Could it have helped the situation yes. But not have been the direct cause of the wipe. One dps doesn't make or break the raid/op . This is not Sunwell pre 3.0 patch.

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Ecmelt
04.20.2012 , 02:40 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Faldlrgn View Post
To be perfectly honest. most people are going to play the spec they want to play. If your op/ FP group wipes at 2% there are more factors than just dps. such as:

Did someone die ? If
so How early? Was it their fault ( stood in fire )?
Or was it the healers fault for not being more aware of raid health?
Was it the tanks fault for not having enough Threat
Or did the tank die because he didn't rotate his cooldowns properly or save them for a specific mechanic?

Just being the best spec. 2% in an ops group is the difference between every critting and not over the course of the fight. One person cannot be specifically blamed on a 2% wipe. Could it have helped the situation yes. But not have been the direct cause of the wipe. One dps doesn't make or break the raid/op . This is not Sunwell pre 3.0 patch.
No people will play what is the best in progressing enviorement that is a fact or they get replaced by others willing to do it. That is how hard-progressing works. And as i said if the guilds are not focused on that matter then everyone plays whatever they wish.

On the 2% wipe - even everything perfectly executed if you do not have the maxed gear/spec on most dps i really doubt you can down the new bosses. Their enrage timer is pretty unforgiving. If you are doing new hardmodes you should know what i am talking about. Just tell your dps to go in their worst dps specs (not ****ed up specs..just worst DPS..in this case infiltration for shadows.) then do hardmode and execute all perfectly.. tell me your ending in a PM.

And in my eyes a dps that slacks in fight is same as a dps not bringing its best spec if they end up doing the same dps. (This last sentence is totally a self opinion.)

I hope this doesnt turn into a fight. - All i wanted to say is that: There are more factors INDEED but someone not being in their best spec is a factor too. A factor that needs to be eliminated for the sake of progression.

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SAMIELL
04.20.2012 , 05:01 PM | #87
All very good points. IMO dps is rarely lacking. Wipes are largely due to some one missing an interrupt, bad positioning etc... I would enjoy playing balance more, however watching for the proc to insta cast MC takes attention from the encounter. Since heals on dps is not an issue for my specific group and since I've not seen one definitive piece of information on "this spec does more dps", I choose the easier of the two specs to do ops as.
This is specific to me and my guild, I'm not trying to change minds but rather offering this as information to others to take into account. So here is how I see it for me. 1. Both specs do the same dps. I've spent hours checking all variations of the specs. 2. Both specs are easy. All specs for every class in every mmo I've ever played are easy. 3. Bring what you're group needs to strengthen it. Bal or Inf do the same thing. Dps is dps. In the end just play what you want.
Again, not to get hackles raised. This is how it works for me and my guild.
Cheers.
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AKIHA
04.22.2012 , 06:52 AM | #88
BUAHHHHHHHHHHHHH great!!! im so happy to see this guide again! thanx a lot, its really really good to have it again!
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mattmarq
04.23.2012 , 01:58 AM | #89
Excuse me if this has been answered already. Is there a site that indicates how much Critical, Surge, and Accuracy rating we should hit before we begin to go for Power? I picked up the Campaign Stalker Generator last night, but soon realized I may have made a grave mistake and gone for the Campaign Force-Master's Focus. I know this is dependent on the other pieces I have, but I though some folks in this thread might have some insight.

I found my answer I believe. This page seems pretty informative:

http://www.noxxic.com/swtor/pve/jedi...w/infiltration

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Zintair
04.27.2012 , 09:24 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by mattmarq View Post
Excuse me if this has been answered already. Is there a site that indicates how much Critical, Surge, and Accuracy rating we should hit before we begin to go for Power? I picked up the Campaign Stalker Generator last night, but soon realized I may have made a grave mistake and gone for the Campaign Force-Master's Focus. I know this is dependent on the other pieces I have, but I though some folks in this thread might have some insight.

I found my answer I believe. This page seems pretty informative:

http://www.noxxic.com/swtor/pve/jedi...w/infiltration
Id say get around 30%-35% base crit before Smuggler buff

Surge starts showing DR around 76%-78% as well not positive. Its tough to say because I have never had full Rakata Stalker to really see the totals.

Power should be roughly 350+
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