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The Jedi Shadow Handbook v2.0

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The Jedi Shadow Handbook v2.0

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shagatha
03.27.2012 , 08:33 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by jbuschell View Post
Tell me about it I litterally fell asleep playing KC in a wz, I woke up drooling on the keyboard at like 4 in the morning like ***
Haha this definitely sounds like kinetic in action.

Btw. My highest FiB crit in wz this far has been 4.45k dmg(have better gear atm so it will be higher next time I'm balance) and with infiltration it's 5.3k~. It fills your heart with joy to get couple <5k crits in a row like infiltration usually gets. If someone asks me I say balance is best though but the big numbers!
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Zintair
03.27.2012 , 08:51 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by shagatha View Post
By the way: Anyone else have ended up trying build 3/35/3? Made it up myself 2 days back and loving it. I don't miss upheaval that eats up my potency charges and also it's not guaranteed to get extra rocks even if you go upheaval so you can't trust in it.

+ Battle readiness more often(results more damage)
+ Cheaper whirling blow(pve and occasionally in pvp too for example to prevent multiple cappers)
+ Stronger armor penetration(results more damage with right conditions)
+ A bit better slow(noticed it's barely long enough to be very useful)

- No more 45% chance to get extra rock when using project. Which eats potency and is only 50% of the damage vs normal rock.


On a different note. Build 5/33/3 wich is mentioned in a handbook seems pretty bad. "Applied force" but no "Celerity". That's a bad choice imo and shouldn't be encouraged. Once it's fixed the build starts looking like my 3/35/3. I play all specs so I'm not infiltration specialist but I think this error in a build seems obvious. What do you all think?
The 3/35/3 build mentioned there is for PvE. Playing the Infiltration Shadow in raid PVE DPS I never really found the need to use Mind Snap/Force of Will on an improved CD timer. I think the passive damage bonus to two MAJOR rotation abilities DS/CS nets a better outcome. I just see it as... take "Applied Force" for 100% usage or "Celerity" for maybe a boss fight and trash. And with Bioware scaling difficulty based on DPS races I would definitely recommend improved damage at the cost of utility. Not to mention no one int he raid is expecting utility from you.

In PvP I would agree with you however. If you have some unique builds for Inf in PvP let me know. Like I said the Infiltration Shadow is going to be the tough one as it seems to be the least played because of it's unfriendly solo nature.
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shagatha
03.27.2012 , 08:57 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Zintair View Post
The 3/35/3 build mentioned there is for PvE. Playing the Infiltration Shadow in raid PVE DPS I never really found the need to use Mind Snap/Force of Will on an improved CD timer. I think the passive damage bonus to two MAJOR rotation abilities DS/CS.
You probably meant 5/33/3. Anyhow I do use mind snap A LOT in pve. It's most of the time on cooldown when facing champs to name something. I've only played 3 days with my 3/35/3 build so it's not fully tested to make it one of the common builds but I'll post here if I find something really good.

Probably going balance tonight for a few days though.

EDIT: Almost forgot. For pvp purposes: If you are serious about infiltration, you are probably using full stalker and with that you get more reach on mind snap and slow. It's using full potential of your gear to have skills for both.
Misery (Surmansola Legacy) @ Dxun Battle Circle
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Zintair
03.27.2012 , 09:04 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by shagatha View Post
You probably meant 5/33/3. Anyhow I do use mind snap A LOT in pve. It's most of the time on cooldown when facing champs to name something. I've only played 3 days with my 3/35/3 build so it's not fully tested to make it one of the common builds but I'll post here if I find something really good.

Probably going balance tonight for a few days though.
I did thanks..5/33/3 good ole dyslexia strikes again lol. That makes me wonder if I should segregate FP specs from Operation specs. For KC I don't think there's really much tweaking but for Infiltration there seems to be a few potential options, possibly Balance as well.
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shagatha
03.27.2012 , 10:29 AM | #35
Well went back to balance and I must admit it.. There's no turning back anymore. I think I'm about to forget infiltration and kinetic totally. Balance is the king(once again).

Running with this 0/10/31. Force-cost of twin disciplines is too much for my taste. Not enough bang for the buck.
Misery (Surmansola Legacy) @ Dxun Battle Circle
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Zintair
03.27.2012 , 11:04 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by shagatha View Post
Well went back to balance and I must admit it.. There's no turning back anymore. I think I'm about to forget infiltration and kinetic totally. Balance is the king(once again).

Running with this 0/10/31. Force-cost of twin disciplines is too much for my taste. Not enough bang for the buck.
How is your survivability with Shadowy Veil?

I made a thread on this and I was wondering (specifically for Infiltration) if the armor boost is really beneficial in the grander scheme of things. Especially with even more damage getting shifted to "white" damage come 1.2
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shagatha
03.27.2012 , 11:52 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Zintair View Post
How is your survivability with Shadowy Veil?

I made a thread on this and I was wondering (specifically for Infiltration) if the armor boost is really beneficial in the grander scheme of things. Especially with even more damage getting shifted to "white" damage come 1.2
Shadowy Veil isn't very useful. I only have it now as a filler because without twin disciplines(expensive projects) force regen boost from out of stealth isn't needed.

The reason why it's not useful(not even for an infiltrator) is because +30% armor to a low armor rating isn't very much. I've never noticed difference between shadowy veil or without it. For example my armor rating now with shadowy veil is 3233. Without it would be 2486~. Both are close to no use.. and still too low.

Just my opinion.
Misery (Surmansola Legacy) @ Dxun Battle Circle
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Philosomanic
03.27.2012 , 02:25 PM | #38
I used the "Wish List" feature of the Ask Mr. Robot Character Builder to try out Shadowy Veil. With full BM gear (rating 140), it raised Damage Reduction from 21.7% to 26.2%, for a total increase of 4.5%.

That's a decent amount, but it's not exactly amazing. I'm using it right now, but I think I'm going to drop it for something else.
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Bilirubin
03.29.2012 , 10:40 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by jbuschell View Post
I really dont understand why more people don't play balance its a blast and the Dmg is top notch
This.

Since I respecced Balance for PvE I've been having mucho fun learning the ins and outs of proper rotations. If I hit someone in PvP with all three of my DoTs, they die, its just a matter of time. Its a very different play style compared with KC, and vive la differance!
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Ramuk
03.29.2012 , 10:54 AM | #40
Do we expect crew skills rankings to change based on 1.2 changes?
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