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Wolfninjajedi
03.22.2012 , 03:17 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Captain_Zone View Post
I can name the ORIGINAL duel where a Jedi didn't use any of these things. Obi-Wan and Vader on the Death Star. Obi-Wan, even though he knew he was going to die, remained completely calm.
Also Obi-Wan vs Vader on mustafar.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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Captain_Zone
03.22.2012 , 03:24 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
No, some Jedi seek a Zen-like exstence, free of emotion, most Jedi do not though, some Jedi can fully absorb their emotions, most notably Jar-kai and Ataru practitioners, or to an even greater degree Shien practitioners, and let them out in combat, without falling to the Dark Side, the stereotype of the emotionless Jedi is very highly perpetuated for such a small minority of it's members.
I know what you're saying. But, and of course there always has to be a but in there someplace, The Jedi COUNCIL is the prevailing authority who dictates what Jedi SHOULD do. I was remarking on their views. They basically want the Jedi to suppress their emotions and passions. That is, imo, unhealthy to say the least. Yes, Ataru and Shien style fighters use their emotions in battle. They also have a history of actively seeking out combat to release the pressure of their built-up emotions. They would suppress them to the extent that they would be forced to use them or be driven insane. Ulic was one such. When he went "undercover" in Exar Kun's organization, he found that the pure release of emotions that he usually reserved for battle or alone time with Nomi was more than he could handle.
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Captain_Zone
03.22.2012 , 03:26 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Also Obi-Wan vs Vader on mustafar.
Actually, I think Obi-Wan always kept calm. Even in his fight against Grievous. He just studied his opponents and figured out ways to defeat them. Granted, he improvised against Grievous, and he was NOT the best swordsman in the Order by a long shot. He just knew how to compensate for lack of raw skill by quick thinking and improvisation.
. OPOD
Shivalka: Darth Baras is quite large, isn't he?
Joran Karn: You, my dear Sith, have just mastered the art of understatement.

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Wolfninjajedi
03.22.2012 , 03:28 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Captain_Zone View Post
Actually, I think Obi-Wan always kept calm. Even in his fight against Grievous. He just studied his opponents and figured out ways to defeat them. Granted, he improvised against Grievous, and he was NOT the best swordsman in the Order by a long shot. He just knew how to compensate for lack of raw skill by quick thinking and improvisation.
Well I was mainly responding to the whole, show an instance where jedi haven't used anger, fear etc in a fight and that was one of them. Since Anakin was Vader, sith lord and Obi-Wan a jedi.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
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Captain_Zone
03.22.2012 , 03:29 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by CJAShadow View Post
Revan's ideals about positive emotions somewhat carried onto the New Jedi Order that Luke Skywalker founds after he kills Palatine. I like this point of view myself, nuturing is good, out of control is bad.

Though still being in control of those emotions so is still important so you don't end up like little old Anakin and be manipulated into killing millions of "good" people to fail at saving your wife.
Anakin was a special(ed) case. Terminally stupid, and easily manipulated.
. OPOD
Shivalka: Darth Baras is quite large, isn't he?
Joran Karn: You, my dear Sith, have just mastered the art of understatement.

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Rayla_Felana
03.22.2012 , 03:45 PM | #16
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name one fight where a jedi HAS NOT used either rage, anger, hate, or fear. (from the movies)
Yoda vs Sidious.

Obi-Wan vs Vader.

Obi-Wan vs Vader II

Qui-Gon Jinn vs Darth Maul.

Obi-Wan vs Count Dooku.

Obi-Wan and Anakin vs Count Dooku. (AotC)

Yoda vs Dooku.

More that I can't recall.

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Rayla_Felana
03.22.2012 , 03:48 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Captain_Zone View Post
I know what you're saying. But, and of course there always has to be a but in there someplace, The Jedi COUNCIL is the prevailing authority who dictates what Jedi SHOULD do. I was remarking on their views. They basically want the Jedi to suppress their emotions and passions.
No they don't.

They seek control over emotions and to guard against quick reaction.

Suppressing emotions? no, passions? yes.

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Swarlesx
03.22.2012 , 05:28 PM | #18
You have to remember that the Jedi council in the movies are weaker than the council in SWTOR. Sidious had been using his dark powers to weaken the jedi without them knowing. The way i see it Sith have more raw power than the Jedi. But because they have so much raw power they become arrogant and overestimate their own abilities (Vader). Because Jedi are in control of their emotions, they can stay calm and focused even in the most difficult battles. Love does not lead to the dark side. If a jedi can learn to control their emotions even after a loved on dies, they can love without fear of going to the dark side. Because Sith fight with so many emotions they are often blinded by how powerful they think they are (As he was destroying Luke, Sidious believed he was so powerful and invincible that he never though that Vader would betray him. He was wrong.) This makes it easy for a jedi to expose a siths weak points. Revan was the ideal sith. He learn the ways of the dark side without letting his thirst for power blind him. This allowed him to become stronger than most Jedi

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Wolfninjajedi
03.22.2012 , 05:31 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Swarlesx View Post
You have to remember that the Jedi council in the movies are weaker than the council in SWTOR.
Um no, the PT are the prime of the jedi so the council in the movies is far stronger then the council in SWTOR.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

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zxckakel
03.22.2012 , 06:02 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
The Sith also lose their minds in the process.

Also the Jedi do not turn into emotionless robots at all, this is a very common misconception, they do not deny their emotions, this is impossible, what they do is keep their emotions from clouding their judgement, they think before they react, they think with their heads not their emotion.
True, but the potential of reaching true power is achievable if you follow the path of the dark side . Because, this is just my personal opinion, emotion though can be everyone's bane is the greatest motivation for anyone.

Great point on the last part.