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Norinn
03.21.2012 , 01:00 PM | #1
Ok,once you get to the lvl where you can train for the enhancement 19 and up, some schematics are exact duplicates of another. I dressed up a list of the eEnhancement 22 that were duplicated (probably the same goes for 19 and 21):

Adroit - Wisdom
Assault - Wily
Astute - Intuition
Barrage - Savant
Bastion - Steadfast
Bulwark - Vigilant
Cognizant - Lucid
Erudition - Veracity
Finesse - Volition
Foresight - Verity
Incisive - Severe
Inertial - Ward
Proficient - Studious
Sagacity - Sentient

There is also those 2:
Reflective, +13 End., +19 Crit., +19 Power and +28 Shields
Skirmish: +13 End., +19 Crit and +28 Shields.

I may have missed some, but I really hope BW will do something about that.

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GrabThemCakes
03.21.2012 , 01:06 PM | #2
I noticed this as well...

I was also very curious about the reflective enhancement 22 as I was crafting those yesterday. Why are they the only ones with 4 stats? If you look at all the others, the total +xx of all stats is equal, but this one seems to get a boost (I believe of +24). Any thoughts?

EDIT: +24 is on the blue reflective 22

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JohnSixteen
03.21.2012 , 03:02 PM | #3
This has been known about and brought up by the playerbase since even beta, but has never been updated.

I might be a tad off on the exact details, but from what I understand the reason this occurred in the first place was because the enhancements were all put in place on an older system design where there was more variety as to which main attributes each classes would use.

They eventually simplified that system (warriors use str, inqs use willpower, etc.), and probably ran a script to update various enhancements as a result, but afterwards never removed any enhancements that then became redundant as a result.

It's not gamebreaking by any means, but definitely annoying and was technically a waste of credits for those (most of us) who like to train everything.

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ShawnSixtyTwo
03.21.2012 , 04:12 PM | #4
Yeah, I bought a bunch of duplicates hoping that they'd be different after RE into blue & purples.

Nope. Should have hit alt-tab and done some Googling first.

Lesson learned. I didn't waste too much money on them and long since recovered from the wasteful binge.

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Cleet_Xia
03.21.2012 , 05:44 PM | #5
The duplicates are supposed to be removed in patch 1.2. They didn't clarify which is the duplicate and which will be retained. I'm not buying or REing any of these paterns before 1.2 goes live. I'd hate to RE a patern to lose it when the patch goes live.

The other alternative is maybe somebody on the PTS can get us a list of which are being kept.
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ShawnSixtyTwo
03.21.2012 , 06:03 PM | #6
Oh great...

I just hope they "merge" them rather than arbitrarily deleting them. That is to say turn all "A" and "B" enhancements into one or the other - or even into "C" - rather than deleting "A" and leaving those who researched "B" SOL.

They're smart enough to do that, right? I hope?
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Esproc
03.21.2012 , 06:21 PM | #7
I just wish they would "fix" them and not just remove them until they have gone through them thoroughly.

If you look at the Steadfast Enhancement 21E and 22E this is a , well, stupid factor in the progression.

Steadfast Enhancement:
Level 47, 21E: 20 Endurance, 22 Shield, 14 Defense.
Level 49, 22E: 22 Endurance, 28 Shield, 10 Defense.

A gain of + 2 Endurance, + 6 Shield, and a - 4 Defense for a total of + 2 pts

Why did the shield rating jump so high, and more so, why did the Defense drop.

The Same Enhancement , Steadfast, with upgrading 1 E level 21-22, and the Stats are so different.

They could use one of the carbon copy (Duplicate) enhancements to make use of the "new" stats on the upgraded version and just properly upgrade the Steadfast, and probably others enhancements as well, in line as they should be.
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Cleet_Xia
03.21.2012 , 07:36 PM | #8
I suppose if they changed the stats on the duplicates- that would technically be removing them....

I hope that is what they do. I'm not sure we need to have such variety in level 22 enhancements, but it's a lot better than the heartburn that will result if they just delete them.

I'd really like to know if we're getting schematics for 23,24,25 enhancements as well.
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Rhaphael
03.22.2012 , 02:28 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Cleet_Xia View Post
The duplicates are supposed to be removed in patch 1.2. They didn't clarify which is the duplicate and which will be retained. I'm not buying or REing any of these paterns before 1.2 goes live. I'd hate to RE a patern to lose it when the patch goes live.

The other alternative is maybe somebody on the PTS can get us a list of which are being kept.
I have a char on PTS and I checked this out but it doesn't look like they removed/fixed anything.

Battle 19 is still Crit+Shield instead of Crit+Surge like the rest of the line too.

If I remember when I get home I'll check it out in more detail.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cleet_Xia View Post
I'd really like to know if we're getting schematics for 23,24,25 enhancements as well.
Not from the trainer at least. They still only sell up to 22.

I heard that raid dropped mods will be RE'able, so most likely that is where we will get them from.

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Elderhound
03.22.2012 , 04:45 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Cleet_Xia View Post
The duplicates are supposed to be removed in patch 1.2. They didn't clarify which is the duplicate and which will be retained. I'm not buying or REing any of these paterns before 1.2 goes live. I'd hate to RE a patern to lose it when the patch goes live.

The other alternative is maybe somebody on the PTS can get us a list of which are being kept.
Yeah they need to remove them or change the stats. I wasted a good amount of creds. Artifice was a big disappointment.