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celebrei
04.27.2012 , 12:03 AM | #181
If F2P will solve the low population problem, then by all means yes, its not unheard of that big titles like
LOTRO AION and DCUO have all gone free to play in order to bolster their playerbase population and in extension their earnings so its not farfetched that SWTOR will follow the footsteps of these P2P to F2P mmos

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Darth_Moonshadow
04.27.2012 , 12:39 AM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by celebrei View Post
If F2P will solve the low population problem, then by all means yes, its not unheard of that big titles like
LOTRO AION and DCUO have all gone free to play in order to bolster their playerbase population and in extension their earnings so its not farfetched that SWTOR will follow the footsteps of these P2P to F2P mmos
It fixes the "population problem" by adding more people, yet those people can't actually play with you because they did not purchase the same content as you.

"Hey, dude, want to run the new dungeons with us?"

"Can't, bro. I don't have the cash to access it."

What's the point in bringing people to the game when they can't even play with you? You may as well just ask for a dozen NPC's be placed all over the fleet.
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Teknophile
04.27.2012 , 01:48 AM | #183
F2P and micro transactions is the most horrible way to run an mmo, if this game ever goes f2p with micropayments I will quit in a heartbeat.

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nissanmaxima
04.27.2012 , 01:53 AM | #184
Not this game, no. However, I will be leaving for GW2 soon, and its F2P, but then so was GW1 and it was good. The new cash shop "micro trans" in GW2 will be limited to strictly asthetics, like I could care less about asthetics. Going to be a great game, cant wait for beta in 10 hours

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nissanmaxima
04.27.2012 , 01:57 AM | #185
Besides, P2P is really outdated anyways. P2P and the whole sub model was useful when it acutally cost a lot for server up keep...those days are over, and with developers releasing xpac's and charging you another 39 to 50 bucks on top of your 15 dollar sub, is it worth it? No, that model worked for WoW, thats it. They are going to profit off of us either way, the 15 dollars adds up to 180 bucks a year, and add an expansion to that we are over 200. Not worth it, xpac should be free then.

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Devlonir
04.27.2012 , 02:03 AM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by nissanmaxima View Post
Not this game, no. However, I will be leaving for GW2 soon, and its F2P, but then so was GW1 and it was good. The new cash shop "micro trans" in GW2 will be limited to strictly asthetics, like I could care less about asthetics. Going to be a great game, cant wait for beta in 10 hours
Any game where you have to pay up front to get the game itself is NOT F2P. It is simply a game with no subscriptions and a cash shop for cool stuff.
F2P means literally that: You can play the basics of the game without having to spend a single dollar (or other currency) on it.

Also, for an outdated model, P2P still sure has a lot of customers.. Especially considering how many F2P games actually run on their Top-tier subscribers who often pay a monthly fee to always have access to all content, which comes down to exactpy the same as P2P.

The only thing that's going to be dead soon is a full only-micro transactions or only-P2P model. Most games use a hybrid these days and name it whichever side of the fence they want to sit on. Example: Even WoW is a hybrid model these days, with paid char transfers and recustomizations as well as a pet store. Guild Wars 2 is a hybrid model as well, as you need to first pay for the box and then get micro transactions afterwards, which is actually a lot like how single player games now have DLCs. You don't HAVE to download them, but many people will to get the full experience. DDO and (i think) Lotro are games you can start playing for free, but have the option of a monthly 'premium customer' payment so basicly becoming a subscription game for those who spend much time in it.

So actually, SWTOR is the only true P2P AAA title out there, where with a box and monthly cost you get everything you need right now. I wonder how long that's last, but for now, that's the simple fact of the matter.
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Darth_Moonshadow
04.27.2012 , 02:03 AM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by nissanmaxima View Post
Besides, P2P is really outdated anyways. P2P and the whole sub model was useful when it acutally cost a lot for server up keep...those days are over, and with developers releasing xpac's and charging you another 39 to 50 bucks on top of your 15 dollar sub, is it worth it? No, that model worked for WoW, thats it. They are going to profit off of us either way, the 15 dollars adds up to 180 bucks a year, and add an expansion to that we are over 200. Not worth it, xpac should be free then.
By that logic, since I already payed 60 bucks for Halo Reach and 30 bucks for Xbox LIVE, I should get Halo 4 for free then.
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Sarfux
04.27.2012 , 02:24 AM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by nissanmaxima View Post
Besides, P2P is really outdated anyways. P2P and the whole sub model was useful when it acutally cost a lot for server up keep...those days are over, and with developers releasing xpac's and charging you another 39 to 50 bucks on top of your 15 dollar sub, is it worth it? No, that model worked for WoW, thats it. They are going to profit off of us either way, the 15 dollars adds up to 180 bucks a year, and add an expansion to that we are over 200. Not worth it, xpac should be free then.
We are getting free regular content updates and James Ohlen has said, "we know that players are already paying 15 dollars a month for the game, so we might not even charge for expansion packs. We haven't decided that yet. But probably the sub fee, that's all there is every going to be."

In your "free2play" game

You want more room in your inventory? Give us 3 bucks
You want more content? Give us 8 bucks
You want more areas to explore ? Give us 5 bucks

things like that. Companies are VERY sneaky with the f2p model. It actually costs YOU, the customer, more money in the long run. I think THAT is crappier than charging us 50 cents a day for UNLIMITED CONTENT!
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Darth_Moonshadow
04.27.2012 , 02:28 AM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux View Post
We are getting free regular content updates and James Ohlen has said, "we know that players are already paying 15 dollars a month for the game, so we might not even charge for expansion packs. We haven't decided that yet. But probably the sub fee, that's all there is every going to be."

In your "free2play" game

You want more room in your inventory? Give us 3 bucks
You want more content? Give us 8 bucks
You want more areas to explore ? Give us 5 bucks

things like that. Companies are VERY sneaky with the f2p model. It actually costs YOU, the customer, more money in the long run. I think THAT is crappier than charging us 50 cents a day for UNLIMITED CONTENT!
It's the word "free" that tricks the customer. It's a consumer buzzword like Madden and their "new" games every year. Madden fans don't realize this, but they pay $60 twice a year for the same game. It's rare to see a Madden game with a new feature. EA Sports just says words like "Hitstick", "Turn Action" and "Play Tweak System" to make the buyer think he is getting a brand new game.
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wezzlan
04.27.2012 , 02:33 AM | #190
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Would you play this game if it wasn't pay to play and it was free to play with a cash shop with microtransactions?
No, F2P with cash shops always suck and fails, its not that they dont have players but the games tend to get BAD BAD BAD when they are f2p community gets unplesent, ppl get rude, thegame company tend to not care as much about it = less bug fixes, lower support, less updates. games that goes from p2p to F2p almost ALWAYS end up with 1 server and 1 player on each faction being emo about no players.
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