1.2 Hard Mode loot. Why raid when you can just run dailies?

I am raiding and no matter what you claim, if you want to try to complete your character as much as possible - you must raid. You must raid not only because that is where the best gear is doled out but where some codex entries come from.

If you must know, my ops team is making very nice progress in downing hardmode raids. We are 4/5 EV and we only raid two nights a week. I'm in mostly T2 raid gear.

Yes, I'm a raider and I would rather there be more smaller group content than raid content. I'd rather RAID content be primarily world bosses and single "Onyxia" style raid encounters rather than long windy instances that most players will never see. For all the artwork inside those instances, there is almost no story because they cannot do voice over interaction for 8/16 man raid groups. Examine Karagga's Palace - huge area, many bosses. I've spent hours in there with my 8 man group and earned no social points. There are only two voice over dialogs and they are solo, only to move you through a gated area. How much more engaging could KP have been as a small group instance, rather than a raid.

How much sense does it make that all 8 or 16 members of your raid force are gullible enough to fall through the trapdoor in Karagga's Palace at the same time? Makes about as much sense as killing a 300,000 ton behemoth named Bonecrusher without heavy mechanized artillery.

I disagree. I'm a raider and I cringed last night when I seen we had a new recruit. I thought it was going to mean that we couldn't try hardmode and was going to have to run normal mode to get them some gear first.

I'd rather the gear was given in various means in the game so come raid night, gear isn't an issue and we can work on accomplishing things as a team.

A bowling trophy is only useful to a bowler.

Raid gear is useful in all PvE aspects of the game, be it farming credits through dailies to burning down other herioc quests and stuff for future moddable gear drops and codex entries. The only way to make your analogy work is if raid gear was useless outside of a raid zone - which a bowling trophy is to anyone not interested in bowling.

Raiders are solely to blame. They (we) require such a large carrot to entice us to raid, that it upsets the rest of the game. To catch everyone else up and keep a large enough pool of players "raid ready", badge systems had to be implemented else raiding would have died a long time ago.

I suppose no one else remembers just how difficult it was to recruit well geared players back in EQ1 and WoW vanilla? Most of the time in those days, recruiting well geared players meant poaching them from another guild (a rude thing to do) or recruiting lesser geared players and running them through crap raids to get their gear caught up. The problem with this was you were lucky if veteran raiders showed up to help gear them out. The veteran raiders didn't want to raid content they had already done until their ears bled - sometimes this meant they just didn't log on, they left for another guild (poached) or quit the game. This ended up being a vicious circle of recruiting until some guilds fell apart under the weight of losing progression.

you only get 6 BH Comms from the weekly on Corellia. 10 weeks per piece of gear, I think i'd rather do OPS.

Posting to make you [s]mad[/s] sad GW2 will be even more casual-friendly, pubbie loving and grindy.


P.S. Is it out yet?

If there was a solo, non-sub version of SWTOR released at the same time as the SWTOR MMO, the solo version would probably have a sold more copies.

But there is no solo version, so people who solo play the MMO version instead because they have no choice.

the point of raiding is that not everyone raids just to get gear

Don't try to bring facts into this emotional thread.

You know GW2 will not have raiding in the classic sense?