The diminishing return formula for several stats (including expertise) has been adjusted.

In reference to this change, I've dug up the changes to the stat. The cap is going from 20% to 50%, but the initial slope is being decreased to compensate. The basic gist is that under 300 rating, you lose a slight amount of benefit (you won't really notice a difference), but the stat falls off less as you get more. At 300 rating, expertise will be about 1% better than current. By 500 rating, Expertise will be about 9.5% better than current. If 1000 rating ever becomes reachable, it'll be about 30% better than current.

Here's a graph comparing the total benefit over a range of 0 to 1000 expertise:

http://sithwarrior.com/forums/attachment.php?aid=257

Here's another showing 0 through 2500, so you can more clearly see the difference in shape:

http://sithwarrior.com/forums/attachment.php?aid=256

In reference to this change, I've dug up the changes to the stat. The cap is going from 20% to 50%, but the initial slope is being decreased to compensate. The basic gist is that under 300 rating, you lose a slight amount of benefit (you won't really notice a difference), but the stat falls off less as you get more. At 300 rating, expertise will be about 1% better than current. By 500 rating, Expertise will be about 9.5% better than current. If 1000 rating ever becomes reachable, it'll be about 30% better than current.

 

Here's a graph comparing the total benefit over a range of 0 to 1000 expertise:

 

http://sithwarrior.com/forums/attachment.php?aid=252

You seriously couldn't have used two completely diff looking colors for the lines?

Sorry, Excel auto-colored. One sec while I alter and re-upload.

Edit: updated

Sorry, Excel auto-colored. One sec while I alter and re-upload.

 

Edit: updated

 

http://sithwarrior.com/forums/attachment.php?aid=253

Thanks <3

Bumping this for visibility, since the PvP forums are moving pretty quickly this morning.

looks like a nerf to me. People who have 700 expertise now are going to see their percents drop by what? 3 percent?

looks like a nerf to me. People who have 700 expertise now are going to see their percents drop by what? 3 percent?

Someone is either colorblind or read the graph wrong.

It seems to me that there is LESS diminishment above 300, so you should have a higher percentage. That is unless my colorblindness is getting the best of me OR I fail at reading graphs. lol

looks like a nerf to me. People who have 700 expertise now are going to see their percents drop by what? 3 percent?

Your first time looking a graph? Its exactly the other way around...

looks like a nerf to me. People who have 700 expertise now are going to see their percents drop by what? 3 percent?

I'd get a refund on my high school tuition if I were you. While you are at it, a middle school/junior high refund might be something you need to look at also.

looks like a nerf to me. People who have 700 expertise now are going to see their percents drop by what? 3 percent?

Did you actually look at the graph? :confused:

Wow, you people are a little harsh. lol

I think this means healers will be even harder to kill now, especially so when they have a tank with them. I wonder what the implications will be.

-breaks out crystal ball-

I foresee more qq about healers.

I think BW could solve a lot of their balance issues by hiring a Zen master. lol

-breaks out crystal ball-

 

I foresee more qq about healers.

Bingo. Next whine: we can't kill anyone anymore - nerf healers

I think BW could solve a lot of their balance issues by hiring a Zen master. lol

Well BW claims they listen. Guess the whiners won. There are enough of them.

looks like a nerf to me. People who have 700 expertise now are going to see their percents drop by what? 3 percent?

At 700 Expertise Rating, a player would have 14.8904% in 1.2, compared to 12.6230% in 1.1.5. That's a 17.9619% increase in benefit per point.

Thanks for that!

Bump!!!

Thanks for putting this together.

I am very glad they made this change. I don't know yet if it fixes everything but I think bis for all pvp gear should come from pvp.

Wow, you people are a little harsh. lol

 

I think this means healers will be even harder to kill now, especially so when they have a tank with them. I wonder what the implications will be.

 

-breaks out crystal ball-

 

I foresee more qq about healers.

 

I think BW could solve a lot of their balance issues by hiring a Zen master. lol

The healers are already qqing about their specific nerfs. But this change wont affect them any more than it affects anyone else.

It looks like the best bet for most people is just going to be wear your pvp gear in every slot now in pvp.

Which is good.

it doesnt look like the line curves at all, it looks like there is no diminishing return..

That's more a product of the scale I was using than anything else. For reference, I've added a link to the OP showing the graph out to 2500 rating, where you can clearly see the DR curvature.

So pvp gear should be better than pve gear after 10% expertise now? Good.

Indeed it is.