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To many abilities - piano playing must be reduced...

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To many abilities - piano playing must be reduced...

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Azrienov
03.15.2012 , 01:27 PM | #231
Quote: Originally Posted by MuNieK View Post
We want to play some pvp, not be musicians to piano play the keyboard... Consolidate the skills and let us focus on awaraness whats happenign around, teamwork and timing insetad of constant full time piano playing we are forced to do if we want to use all the abilities in pvp... Its just bad design Bioware... PvP should be about reflex and quick thinking, not player vs keybinds tetris or situation where you force people to be clickers due to not enough comfortable hotkeys...

For example jaggernaut immortal:

- taunt enemy attacking our ally
- shield ally being attacked
- intercede ally for more protection
- aoe taunt for reduced dmg to ally
- aoe slow to make pvp with enemy acceptable (slow on ability that is not in main-rotation is also huge mistake - in pvp slow is crucial and should be on all classes' main abilities)

and thats just to start using actuall combat abilities... wihch also are scattered around to many skills not neccesarily...

Whats the point?

Why cant we have charge and intercede merged into one ability that works two ways accordindgly to type of our target (ally/foe)?
Why cant we have smash have the effect of aoe slow?
Why cant we have execute lightsaber throw effect merged with normall lightsaber throw (when enemy under x% of HP it do additional dmg)?
Why cant we have our 3 survival defensive abilities merged into 2 abilities(one short cooldown and one longer)?

Why do we need so many unneccesary keybinds?! Im fed up with this cooldown-tetris, hotkey piano-playing and i wont be a clicker you want me to be - if thats not gonna change i will just go play games where skill is measured with what i wrote above: wit, reflex and combat awaraness.
Swtor is first mmorpg i had to bind so many often-used shift+hotkeys... and im using half of the keyboard already...

Learn to consolidate abilities effects to show some respect towards your player's comfort. And for Christ's sake start playing your own game so we wont have to notify you about such a gamebreaking, funbreaking, UNCOMFORTABLE issues.
Learn to utilise chance-on-hit and chance-on-receiving-dmg effects... Just give our keyboards and hands a relief, cause its NO-GO at least for me atm. Im not willing to spend my time doing pvp this way.

The point is to make player often use only those keys:
Q,E,R,T,F,X,C,V,~,1,2,3,4, mouse3, mouse4

those are comfortable hotkeys we can use all the time without piano-playing.

But its not enough to bind all those abilities you created as individual abilities.... Learn from games like Bloodline Champions where you had only handfull of keybinds and the PvP was intense and skill based like in no other 3rd person battleground/arena-like game. Playing that game your hand was on contstant dance of quick strokes yet it was comfortable. In swtor you have to move it around the keyboard all the time and stress it with all the modifier keys... unless you want to just abandon some abilities and never use them >.<

On top of that you still didnt thought its enough and you implemented relics with "on use" ability... thats 2 aditional things to use in combat... this is madness. Please admit you are making game for a clickers and keyboard+keyboardmouse (like naga) only! Thats why you dont want us to have macros to utilise all those abilities by using only keyboard binds? Seirously, its 21th century.

edit:
to save you reading trough whole thread im copiyign here what concluded from discussion with people defending so many uncomfortable binds:

I believe that skill in a game is:
agility of the mind and bit of reflex
They believe that skill in a game is:
agility of fingers and a bit of thinking
so we cant understund each other.

edit2:
Smart way of implementing need of mastering the class' abilities is implementing just a handfull abilities with plenty of different effects accordingly to the state of the target, kind of the target and state of the caster. That applies to friend/foe, target HP, target CC status, target buffs/debuffs, range, caster buffs/debuffs (like one ability can be follow up of several others and have different effect with each of them), etc...

So you dont need piano playing and you still must invest a lot of practise in mastering the class. Thats how decent ability development looks like. Several comfy keys and plenty, plenty of outcomes dependant of their timing and follow-ups strategies.
Go roll a arsenal bounty hunter if you don't like challenges.

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MuNieK
03.15.2012 , 01:30 PM | #232
Quote: Originally Posted by Azrienov View Post
Go roll a arsenal bounty hunter if you don't like challenges.
I bet we would all appreciate if you woudlnt quote huge post to add few words under... Its waste of space.

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Nichoice
03.15.2012 , 09:38 PM | #233
I think the original point of this thread has been lost. Why do I read soo many post by people using Naga/Nostromo/G13/G15 etc. saying that the amount of abilities is fine?

The question is not whether you can play this game with a Nostromo/Naga/G13 etc. The question is why do we need one just to play this game.

Please stop debating whether you can or can't play this game with a 9 button mouse.

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Spetzel
03.15.2012 , 09:47 PM | #234
Quote: Originally Posted by Nichoice View Post
I think the original point of this thread has been lost. Why do I read soo many post by people using Naga/Nostromo/G13/G15 etc. saying that the amount of abilities is fine?

The question is not whether you can play this game with a Nostromo/Naga/G13 etc. The question is why do we need one just to play this game.

Please stop debating whether you can or can't play this game with a 9 button mouse.
There isnt a need, its just a suggestion for those that are too lazy to actually use the full keyboard spectrum of keybinds. I.e. OP

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Bullsith
03.15.2012 , 09:51 PM | #235
Welcome to playing a jug. Keybinds are your ultimate BFFs. Yes it feels like playing a piano at times. And that's why I *********** hate to see ohter classes getting away with spamming one button.

You know what's funny. If they'd let us use savage kick and pommel strike in PVP I have two keys already set aside for when that day comes.
Choices need to matter! If I die I need to live with it. Hardcore!

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Typheuss
03.15.2012 , 10:48 PM | #236
If you feel like you're playing a piano, I can only assume you're not binding properly.

I did a Google search since I've seen guides for this before and I see no reason to recreate existing guides. It's intended for WoW, but the part you should read (Part 2) is universal to all games and especially MMOs.
http://bit.ly/xe82lt

*edit* Stupid forums censored part of the url, if you don't want to click the bit.ly url, remove the space from owned core.
http://www.owned core.com/forums/wor...-keybinds.html

This game doesn't come even come close in terms of number of useful skills compared to Aion, and I wouldn't have sacrificed a single skill in that game either. More options can only lead to more choices in which case you can differentiate yourself from the inferior players by using the right skills at the right times.

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Marthror
03.15.2012 , 10:56 PM | #237
Quote: Originally Posted by Nichoice View Post
I think the original point of this thread has been lost. Why do I read soo many post by people using Naga/Nostromo/G13/G15 etc. saying that the amount of abilities is fine?

The question is not whether you can play this game with a Nostromo/Naga/G13 etc. The question is why do we need one just to play this game.

Please stop debating whether you can or can't play this game with a 9 button mouse.
I got regular keyboard and mouse, the amount of ability is fine

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snaplemouton
03.15.2012 , 11:38 PM | #238
/facepalm

Not everyone wanna play a triangle.
I enjoy playing piano because... it's harder?

They better not make me go under 31 keybinds. I want more keybinds and more spells to use.
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MuNieK
03.15.2012 , 11:44 PM | #239
Quote: Originally Posted by Marthror View Post
I got regular keyboard and mouse, the amount of ability is fine
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Dovahbrah
03.15.2012 , 11:51 PM | #240
In my opinion, the only class that can feel like piano-playing at times is sith warrior/jedi knight (either AC). All the other classes have a fairly reasonable amount of abilities.
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