Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer
×

My Commando Trooper and The skills (so conflicted)

STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > Crew Skills
My Commando Trooper and The skills (so conflicted)

Vilens's Avatar


Vilens
03.14.2012 , 12:40 PM | #1
Fellow SWTOR heads, before I proceed with my topic let's just for the sake of discussion, ignore the changes coming to 1.2 and address the situation in the present.

I have a level 26 Commando trooper. I have read every guide relating to crew skills front to back, whether it be the guide itself, the RE guide etc. Credit to everyone who worked on those they are great.

I have read a lot of conflicting things and wanted everyone's thoughts on this as it relates to SWTOR 1.1.5a

My commando is coming along nicely, defense is an issue and that has lead me to some of my crafting choices. Many of the guides say that troopers can't go wrong with biochem because of the unavoidable use of medpacs. I do have some low level reusables (stim and medpac) but they're value is starting to diminish. First, I see a lot of talk on the boards about Bioware nerfing biochem. Second, of my three skills (biochem, bioanalysis, and diplomacy) diplomacy is really the only I've been using since I got the reusable and that is for gaining affection with my companions using gifts.

Now maybe the biochem stat hasn't been useful to me because i'm at the weird flux period for my character where chapter 1 is ending and new things will be opening to me soon.

Lastly, funds are getting kinda tight, and:

Spoiler


can anybody shed some light on how they recommend i continue to go about this?
Part of me thinks armormech makes sense to help with defense, other part thinks armstech, and the other part of me think that going with slicing (and 2 other crew skills you guys recommend) would make sense in that with enough money you can get whatever you need.

also, with regards to being a commando, how does customized armor work in comparison to looted armor? i've heard stats are comparable but looting takes longer for better equipment. or is money the route to go?

level 26 commando + crew skills = what is a trooper to do?

Mithros's Avatar


Mithros
03.14.2012 , 01:38 PM | #2
For the BH that I made I went armormech and made my own gear. I used commendations/GTN/vendors to keep my weapons up to date.

For the trooper that I made, I went cybertech, use orange gear, and make the overlays and mods, while using commendations/GTN/vendors to buy enhancements (and barrels and crystals for my weapons).

Either way works fine.
I am working harder on cybertech to keep up, since I have to make more parts for everyone to get their gear updated, but I am skipping some for some companions, and cybertech offers some things that armormech didn't, like earpieces.

Biochem shines post-50, after you are all geared up.

How much this all changes come 1.2 remains to be seen.
Beta Squadron 157

As long as we remember, it's never really gone.

DadadadaBATMAN's Avatar


DadadadaBATMAN
03.14.2012 , 02:13 PM | #3
1) Don't buy anything until you have your speeder, especially since you don't have one at all.
A) Train only skills that you use regularly.
B) DO NOT buy gear off of the GTN. You're around the level where you start picking up lots of orange gear--learn to love it! Use commendations on the highest level barrel each planet offers, then switch between upgrading your Mods and Enhancements. We'll get to Armoring in a second.

2) You're at a point where the money you start making from questing will ramp up significantly. To put things in perspective, at level 50 running my dailies on Ilum & Belsavis nets me ~200k. You won't be pulling that kind of money in, but you should be pulling 60-70k a planet from quest rewards alone.

3) I recommend that you pick Cybertech. Earpieces are difficult to come by, and Armoring is the biggest commendation sink. Crafting your own will help you and your companion stay up to date relatively easily.

4) If you don't care about having blue armoring (and honestly, as a Trooper, you can get by with just greens fine), I would take Slicing and Scavenging as your other 2 crew skills. Run mission skills to get these up to the level where you can comfortably harvest nodes on your planet. Once there, do not run them unless you're short on mats for some reason (you shouldn't be). Taking Underworld Training to 400 isn't all that difficult once you hit level 50 and have 5 companions to send out at a time. When you have 2-3, it's a pain.

5) Vendor, vendor, vendor. I've found that it's faster and easier to just vendor everything that's green, white, and grey. Blues are sometimes worth putting on the GTN, Purples and Oranges almost always are. Get a feel for your market and go with it.

Gandolfi's Avatar


Gandolfi
03.14.2012 , 02:46 PM | #4
I have a commando as one of my two 'mains' currently lvl 37 with cybertech, UT and scav. It's easy to get orange gear, especially by the time you get to tattooine, so making the mods ally helps. I found you can keep yourself geared up with blue mods and armor which will keep you about two mod levels above what you can get from the commendation vendors at your level. This makes a big difference to performance.

I rolled my second main, a Jedi knight with artifice so I could also make enhancements, as well as enjoying the melee gameplay - have found I prefer heavy armor chars whether melee or ranged.

I found one of the best ways round the cash problem is to take out a day or two for farming now and then. Pick a heroic on your last world which is not too far from a quick travel point and with respawning mobs, at a level where you can solo it without risk of dying at your level (or the repair bills will kill your profit). Then go kill stuff. Mandalorian Rage on NS is good, about 500-600 creds per group of mobs, and my current favourite is Search & Rescue on Tat, a heroic 4 which is very farmable at lvl 37 and yields 900-1300 creds per group.

Dubblebass's Avatar


Dubblebass
03.14.2012 , 03:46 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Gandolfi View Post
I have a commando as one of my two 'mains' currently lvl 37 with cybertech, UT and scav. It's easy to get orange gear, especially by the time you get to tattooine, so making the mods ally helps. I found you can keep yourself geared up with blue mods and armor which will keep you about two mod levels above what you can get from the commendation vendors at your level. This makes a big difference to performance.

I rolled my second main, a Jedi knight with artifice so I could also make enhancements, as well as enjoying the melee gameplay - have found I prefer heavy armor chars whether melee or ranged.

I found one of the best ways round the cash problem is to take out a day or two for farming now and then. Pick a heroic on your last world which is not too far from a quick travel point and with respawning mobs, at a level where you can solo it without risk of dying at your level (or the repair bills will kill your profit). Then go kill stuff. Mandalorian Rage on NS is good, about 500-600 creds per group of mobs, and my current favourite is Search & Rescue on Tat, a heroic 4 which is very farmable at lvl 37 and yields 900-1300 creds per group.
I am in a similar position. My main is a sage with maxed out artificing. My trooper is 38 with cybertech, scav, and UT. I really love the combination. Being able to make all my enhancements, hilts, mods, and armor overlays has been just awesome as I have a lot of orange gear on each character.

Vilens's Avatar


Vilens
03.14.2012 , 05:27 PM | #6
Great posts guys. What a great community.


I think i'm going to slow down my story progression and grind.

I like the idea of getting the orange moddable equipment from UT then building the mods myself. Money may be an issue until i get that speeder. But I need to step up my equipment game first.

I'd love to hear additional opinions on this. If i go UT that will eventually provide moddable schems for both armor and weapons?

pahbi's Avatar


pahbi
03.14.2012 , 08:02 PM | #7
I've leveled up a commando to 50, and a vanguard to 50, and I will tell you this straight up:

Currently there are only two useful trade skills:

From level 1 to 50 you use cybertech so you can keep you and your companions orange moddable armor up to date. Cypertech makes armors and mods. You will still have to buy enhancements with tokens from each planet.

Plan ahead and keep your orange moddable armor in blue armor/mods and each planet will be a cakewalk, especially if you keep elara up to date.

At level 50, make some epic armor mods, and then do the belsavis and ilum +2 dailies each day to get epic mods/enhancements for your moddable armor. After a weeks time you can easily have all of your orange moddable armor and gun filled with epic mods.

Use whatever tokens and cash you have leftover to buy blue level items for every other slot you have and you will be ready for flash points.

Once your armor is filled with epic mods, drop cybertech and pick up biochem. Biochem will make you re-usable healthpacks and buff packs that will help you in flashpoints and ops.

Every other trade skill is trash. 100% pure absoutely useless trash. Don't even bother with them. Don't bother with the fan boy who tell you otherwise. Seriously, they are just trying to justify all the creds they themselves have wasted on other crew skills. I've been there, done that, and wasted so many credits on armortech, synthweaving (for my jedi i made) and artifice that it just makes me sick to think of all the waste.

So in summary since my english isn't the best.

Cybertech till 50, make your final epic armors, earpiece and mods.

Switch to biochem.

Enjoy the WIN

- P

downface's Avatar


downface
03.14.2012 , 08:40 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by pahbi View Post
I've leveled up a commando to 50, and a vanguard to 50, and I will tell you this straight up:

Currently there are only two useful trade skills:

From level 1 to 50 you use cybertech so you can keep you and your companions orange moddable armor up to date. Cypertech makes armors and mods. You will still have to buy enhancements with tokens from each planet.

Plan ahead and keep your orange moddable armor in blue armor/mods and each planet will be a cakewalk, especially if you keep elara up to date.

At level 50, make some epic armor mods, and then do the belsavis and ilum +2 dailies each day to get epic mods/enhancements for your moddable armor. After a weeks time you can easily have all of your orange moddable armor and gun filled with epic mods.

Use whatever tokens and cash you have leftover to buy blue level items for every other slot you have and you will be ready for flash points.

Once your armor is filled with epic mods, drop cybertech and pick up biochem. Biochem will make you re-usable healthpacks and buff packs that will help you in flashpoints and ops.

Every other trade skill is trash. 100% pure absoutely useless trash. Don't even bother with them. Don't bother with the fan boy who tell you otherwise. Seriously, they are just trying to justify all the creds they themselves have wasted on other crew skills. I've been there, done that, and wasted so many credits on armortech, synthweaving (for my jedi i made) and artifice that it just makes me sick to think of all the waste.

So in summary since my english isn't the best.

Cybertech till 50, make your final epic armors, earpiece and mods.

Switch to biochem.

Enjoy the WIN

- P
Warning: This advice has an expiration date & word is it is in early April. AYOR.

Vilens's Avatar


Vilens
03.14.2012 , 08:43 PM | #9
thanks i'm working on cybertch now.

i assume the orange equipment comes at later levels for underworld trading?

i can't wait to see the changes to crew skills for 1.2

also i saw this in the modding guide. can someone explain to me what he means by these two statements:


Quote: Originally Posted by Criminall View Post
Now mods come in green blue and purple this is what I go by: if the required level is the same level as you.
A green mod will be 2 levels below you
Blue will be your level
Purple will be 2 levels above you.

SO this means stay away from green mods use those for your companion.
Blue is ideal for having in your gear.
Purple is best when you can find them, these will place you above the rest.

Purple gear has only 2 slots a Mod slot and a Enchancement slot. So after 2 levels you will see blue mods equil to or better than your purple equipment and itll need to replaced very soon. Save your money on these items untill 50! At 50 it wont matter because your max level already. If i get a purple drop ill strip the mods out and throw them in a orange piece of equipment.


Now for finding mods.
Every planet has a commidation Mod vendor. What I do is when I get quest rewards I look what is best to accept. Mods cost 7 for barrels, hilts and armoring mods..... 2 for Mod and Enchancement. So if the quest giver is offering a armoring mod or 1 commidation do the math you will be saving 6 commidations that can be used to throw in other items by getting the armoring mod. Same with the other 2 Mod and Enchancement if quest giver is offering a Enchancement mod or a commidation take the mod because you will be saving 1 commidation.

Gandolfi's Avatar


Gandolfi
03.15.2012 , 12:18 PM | #10
This is a very interesting thread - thanks everyone. I was also thinking about switching from cybertech to biochem after reaching level 50 and making the highest level armor I could. However with the 1.2 changes coming up I'll wait and see how things pan out for crafting then.