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Star Wars Humans... and US.


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Stenrik
03.11.2012 , 10:29 AM | #1
Something that has always bothered me about the Star Wars universe is the existence of humans a long time ago and far, far away. And yet we have humans now on Earth... so did WE come from THEM somehow? But we have a fossil record here on earth, so maybe we just look like them in coincidence? I know parallel evolution is used a lot in Sci-fi to explain varations of humans, but to me a common ancestor just makes so much more sense.

Or maybe we were seeded by the Star Wars galaxy humans. I heard that there was a book that explains how Earth was colonated by a group of physicists that accidentally teleported themselves here, but I don't know the title. Also even if it does exist, how does it explain our fossil record?

And how long ago do you think a long time ago is, exactly? Millions of years? Perhaps... billions?

Finally, what are the Star Wars humans up to right now, in the present? Have they all died off due to natural civilization decay? Have all the planets we know and love dried up due to all their stars supernova-ing? Perhaps the distant decendants of Luke and friends are now living in a different Galaxy...

So what are your thoughts?

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Revan-the-knight
03.11.2012 , 10:32 AM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Stenrik View Post
Something that has always bothered me about the Star Wars universe is the existence of humans a long time ago and far, far away. And yet we have humans now on Earth... so did WE come from THEM somehow? But we have a fossil record here on earth, so maybe we just look like them in coincidence? I know parallel evolution is used a lot in Sci-fi to explain varations of humans, but to me a common ancestor just makes so much more sense.

Or maybe we were seeded by the Star Wars galaxy humans. I heard that there was a book that explains how Earth was colonated by a group of physicists that accidentally teleported themselves here, but I don't know the title. Also even if it does exist, how does it explain our fossil record?

And how long ago do you think a long time ago is, exactly? Millions of years? Perhaps... billions?

Finally, what are the Star Wars humans up to right now, in the present? Have they all died off due to natural civilization decay? Have all the planets we know and love dried up due to all their stars supernova-ing? Perhaps the distant decendants of Luke and friends are now living in a different Galaxy...

So what are your thoughts?
See them like the Rakata, theyre an ancient high tech Race that eclipses everything with their technology, something comes and wipes them out, in the rakatas case a plague, and left only Remnants and ruins of their once Great civilisation left

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Rohanshot
03.11.2012 , 10:38 AM | #3
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See them like the Rakata, theyre an ancient high tech Race that eclipses everything with their technology, something comes and wipes them out, in the rakatas case a plague, and left only Remnants and ruins of their once Great civilisation left
That's actually exactly what happened in Halo to the Ancient Humans!
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Stenrik
03.11.2012 , 10:46 AM | #4
So you're saying that we're the remnants of their civilization... Which I might buy if it weren't for our fossil record proving that we evolved here on Earth.

Though I can see some kind of seeding project explaining it... (A guided process, like in 2001: A Space Odyssey).

I did stumble across this explanation though (original link: http://scifi.stackexchange.com/quest...se/11999#11999)

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There's one hypothesis that IMHO makes the most sense (it's one of several that have already been mentioned). On the other hand, making sense is not necessarily a prerequisite for accuracy in the Star Wars universe.

That hypothesis is that some unknown alien species, for some unknown reasons, brought humans from Earth to Coruscant in the distant past, where they built a civilization and spread out to the rest of the Star Wars galaxy.

In our reality, there is ample evidence that humans evolved independently here on Earth. There's been plenty of fiction that has humans being introduced on Earth from elsewhere, but that doesn't fit in with the known fossil record and our genetic similarity to all the other species on Earth.

In the Star Wars universe, the origin of humans is unknown. The most widely accepted theory is that they evolved on Coruscant and spread out from there, but that's difficult to verify; Coruscant is so over-built that archaeology is impractical.

According to this timeline, Coruscant was completely covered by its principal city 100,000 years before the events of Episode IV. Anatomically modern humans appeared about 200,000 years ago. That leaves 100,000 years to be split between (a) time for the human colonists on Coruscant to build their planet-covering city, and (b) time to account for the "a long time ago" in the opening credits.

Humans on Coruscant developed an interstellar civilization much more quickly than Earth humans have, but that could be explained by the influence of whoever brought them to Coruscant.

This assumes that "a long time ago" is relative to our current time. If instead it's relative to the time of the story's hidden narrator, we have a lot more flexibility. Future Earth humans could develop interstellar, and then intergalactic travel, and establish a colony on Coruscant without outside help. Some disaster could then cause them to lose their historical records; as they recover, they build a new interstellar civilization, the one that we see in the movies.

Pulling some numbers out of the air, we could have:

1977: Humans on Earth watching science fiction movies.
2200: Humans have developed interstellar and intergalactic travel.
2500: Humans colonize a planet that will later be called Coruscant.
3000: Human civilization on Coruscant goes through a crisis that results in a loss of historical knowledge.
10,000: Human civilization on Coruscant has recovered and built a single dense city covering the entire planet.
110,000: Battle of Yavin
200,000: The civilization that (re)started on Coruscant has now spread to other galaxies. Someone produces an epic historical drama about the events that happened 90,000 years previously, "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away".
200,100: The script for this drama falls first into a black hole, then into the hands of George Lucas on 20th century Earth.
201,977: Contact with Earth is re-established. Descendants of Coruscant humans see the original Star Wars. The temporal paradox causes the Universe to vanish in a puff of logic.
Note that some of this is just a little bit speculative.
So there's definitely some cool theories out there. But I'm just curious if we have any word from Lucas (or Lucas Arts/whatever) about this. Yeah yeah, I know, Star Wars is more "fantasy in space" than "science fiction" but I do think it's a large enough IP that we have the right to know something...

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ErikModi
03.11.2012 , 12:20 PM | #5
Who cares?

Maybe they just look like humans.

Maybe they look nothing like humans, and it's just a "translation convention" to call them humans and make them look human to make them relatable to a human audience.

Really, the Star Wars galaxy is so "long time ago and far far away" that it doesn't really matter. It's like trying to figure out how humans got to Ravenloft, or the Forgotten Realms, or Eberron, or Azeroth, or Norrath, or Westeros, or Ivalice, or Cocoon and Gran Pulse, or Thedas.
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Seisaan
03.11.2012 , 12:26 PM | #6
Or its just that we needed to see something familiar in a Universe full of alien races. I mean, its difficult to get the audience to connect to main characters when they're a different species altogether.

There's also nothing in Star Wars that ties its universe to ours. It could just be a completely different reality that just so happens to also have humans and various off-shoots of humans.

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Verloc_Krieg
03.11.2012 , 12:33 PM | #7
They were actually going to do a book about how human exist in the sw universe. Basically it involved the 25th century, a wormhole, and time travel. It was cancelled though. I forgot what it was supposed to be called

Edit: here it is http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_Exodus

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ErikModi
03.11.2012 , 01:09 PM | #8
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They were actually going to do a book about how human exist in the sw universe. Basically it involved the 25th century, a wormhole, and time travel. It was cancelled though. I forgot what it was supposed to be called

Edit: here it is http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_Exodus
Glad that got cancelled. The premise. . . sounds iffy, but may have been done well enough to make it work. But the idea of really connecting the Star Wars galaxy to ours in a fundamental way undermines some of the mystery of Star Wars.
Jedi vs. Sith, Page 97, column 2, paragraph 4, line 1:

Prior to the Battle of Ruusan, the Jedi used crystals from many different sources, and ignited lightsabers in every known hue, including purple, orange, and gold.

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BrandonSM
03.11.2012 , 02:03 PM | #9
Well. It actually would make sense if there was an alien species that "dropped us off" here.


Earth is only 4.6-4.7 billions years old. And we have "runway's" in Egypt.


Wouldn't surprise me, wouldn't surprise me if Lucas was one of them either. The one dude they didn't like and dropped him off with us...


He's always talking about how he views SW different than the rest of the entire globe....



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Fyurii
03.11.2012 , 03:10 PM | #10
Simple answer...
It's a work of fantasy that requires a level of suspension of disbelief and simple acceptance of what you're seeing.

Try to throw too much science and rationalisation of what you see and read within the confines of that fictional universe, and it starts to get ridiculous.
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