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Star wars needs more military consultants

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Star wars needs more military consultants

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Antipathize
03.10.2012 , 01:21 PM | #1
As someone who served in the military, it aggravates me when I see cinematics/star wars films that use tactics the world hasn't used since the bow and arrow became obselete. The republic cinematic comes to mind, where the troopers fire a volley of shots from ambush and then get into Melee with a significant number of force users that specialise in that.

I mean they don't even need consultants, just common sense. Anyone else bugged by this and/or have specific examples?

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BaalsMistress
03.10.2012 , 01:24 PM | #2
Hell, the jedi use swords in an age with hugely prevelent firearms and your biggest complaint is they use obsolete tactics????

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ACLucius
03.10.2012 , 01:27 PM | #3
I have only seen a handful of examples where true strategy and tactics made for good story telling, and that would be shows/movies where the plot revolves around those, such as Code Geass does. Unless the story revolves around that, usually it will not be good for a movie, let alone a trailer where people want to see action.

Does it make sense? Of course not, but it makes the trailer more exciting. Excitement makes the game more appealing to the majority, not common sense.
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Antipathize
03.10.2012 , 01:35 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsMistress View Post
Hell, the jedi use swords in an age with hugely prevelent firearms and your biggest complaint is they use obsolete tactics????
Yes. The lore has shown again and again that Jedi are great force multipliers, and can significantly protect themselves and others from blaster fire. Sure they would be more effective using their powers with a blaster, but regardless they aren't invincible as shown by the massacre of the Jedi by clone troopers.

Small conflicts can be exciting and show a good storytelling element. Not only when the story revolves around it. I mean there are so many ways to show the same stuff you want, and have it be reasonable.

You want troopers going Melee? Round a corner and end up too close to the enemy to bring a rifle to bear, an emp or sith fry the soldiers rifles with lightning, etc. not just firing and running into the midst of the enemy like leroy Jenkins in order to get a close personal feel.

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lexiekaboom
03.10.2012 , 01:38 PM | #5
How does the real world military deal with energy shields and force powers? Is it covered in basic?

Read the lore (or play KOTOR). Melee weapons are coming back because there is tech that deflects blaster bolts and high speed projectials. This is the same "trick" used in almost every fantasy setting (dune, for example) so they can make combat look and sound cooler then it really is in a high tech world.

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lobotaru
03.10.2012 , 01:44 PM | #6
The cinematics are one thing. I was actually hoping that troopers could fight completely at range with their carbines. The beauty of space fantasy energy weapons comes from all the flashy stuff that proceeds out of the barrel when you pull the trigger. The longer we get to see the effects, the better.
One aspect of the trooper I was questioning was that, if the armor is so fantastic that it lets him fight in melee range (or stand in plane sight during a firefight), why not dispense with the carbine entirely and work with melee weapons? Plus, it kind of makes sense. We're talking about a universe where jedi can deflect energy blasts to the point of reaching melee combat, so soldiers would still have use for close quarters combat techniques like those used before the advent of gunpowder.

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Stugotz
03.10.2012 , 01:50 PM | #7
The developers have no sense or experience when it comes to the military. That is prevalent throughout the game. They do have a good grasp of "anti-military" in their story lines though. Who would of thought that a computer game company would allow their politics to show through into their game? LOL

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Stugotz
03.10.2012 , 01:58 PM | #8
Come to think of it, they haven't even been able to get a salute right.

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Every day the same skrag, day in day out.. why me?"

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Antipathize
03.10.2012 , 02:00 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by lexiekaboom View Post
How does the real world military deal with energy shields and force powers? Is it covered in basic?

Read the lore (or play KOTOR). Melee weapons are coming back because there is tech that deflects blaster bolts and high speed projectials. This is the same "trick" used in almost every fantasy setting (dune, for example) so they can make combat look and sound cooler then it really is in a high tech world.
No, you're defending something that has a poor excuse. Republic commando is a good example of a game and lore that made combat more realistic and exciting. I'm not saying USE combat as the storytelling device, I'm saying use a little common sense and not use the world to "trick" people into believing its necessary, when it's not.

Tactics are universal, so please don't be pedantic about comparing specific things in the sw universe to specific things in the real world.

Obviously Melee is not the only option, as 99% of everyone else uses blasters. I'm not going to get into a debate about what should stop what, and rock paper scissors the thread to death.

Back to on topic, has anyone else noticed, and does it bother you.

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Charell
03.10.2012 , 02:00 PM | #10
does the quote "a long time ago..." come to mind. the battle tactics are how it is in this galaxy. its fine the way it is
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