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So it's not ok for "hardcores" to have gear progression?

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So it's not ok for "hardcores" to have gear progression?

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Darth_Sookie
03.06.2012 , 10:29 AM | #1
When the competetive elements of this game wants gear progression and character advancement it's because "we want to be carried by gear".
Whereas causals feel they should have a clear progression path all the way up to the best gear for little to no effort.


Why can't us hardcore players have something to work for that actually takes effort and teamplay to get? I want to feel i earned the gear, not getting it handed to me by merely participating in PvP.

Sure competition is it's own reward, which btw is why i'm still racking up lots of games daily even though there is no tangible reward in it for me except more titles. But just as the causals want gear progressions, so do we. Even if the gap is a small one like champ to bm gear, it's still nice to have stuff to look forward too.

Ranked players will spend most of their time in ranked warzones so it's not like we will spend all out time ganking you in non ranked.

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03.06.2012 , 10:31 AM | #2
I'll be working on that black (or whatever color) that the highest trench coat is
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AstralProjection
03.06.2012 , 10:35 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Sookie View Post
When the competetive elements of this game wants gear progression and character advancement it's because "we want to be carried by gear".
Whereas causals feel they should have a clear progression path all the way up to the best gear for little to no effort.


Why can't us hardcore players have something to work for that actually takes effort and teamplay to get? I want to feel i earned the gear, not getting it handed to me by merely participating in PvP.

Sure competition is it's own reward, which btw is why i'm still racking up lots of games daily even though there is no tangible reward in it for me except more titles. But just as the causals want gear progressions, so do we. Even if the gap is a small one like champ to bm gear, it's still nice to have stuff to look forward too.

Ranked players will spend most of their time in ranked warzones so it's not like we will spend all out time ganking you in non ranked.
Root of your problem - You're speaking as if gear is the point of the game.

In fact, it's mostly what's wrong with these games.

Fun with your friends, or fun on your own (a new concept to the genre, but now valid) is the point of these games.

Not having fun - don't play. Want to be measured? Use the ranking system to feel that boost of e-peeny goodness. That's your achievement. I'm not one of those "the gear gap was impossible" people, but it's not like you need a greater advantage for already being better? That's the "elitist" community in these games coming out in the design, and I, for one, am glad it's dying.

If some FPS kid wants to come in and beat me, let him. I'll either school him in a whole new type of game, or bow to him respectfully when he wins. I don't need an advantage for having more playtime. Your brain is your advantage.
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03.06.2012 , 10:35 AM | #4
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Why can't us hardcore players have something to work for that actually takes effort and teamplay to get?
You do: titles, pride, recognition.


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But just as the causals want gear progressions, so do we.
Too bad, find something else.

On the other hand, cosmetic armor sets (orange, empty mods) is a good idea.

Seemed obvious based on the modding system in general. I suppose they'll get to it in time.
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RealAeiouy
03.06.2012 , 10:36 AM | #5
If you want to chase gear pve, if you want to fight others pvp.
I put the AssAssIn assassin.

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Laokoon
03.06.2012 , 10:37 AM | #6
OP which would you rather have:

1) A PvP match that is determined solely by the skill of the players
2) A PvP match that is determined solely by the gear of the players
3) A PvP match that is determined in part by the gear and in part by the skill of the players


A lot of people want a skill only match up: who is better at this game, you or I? To take care of the need to feel you are accomplishing something (which is what getting gear effectively does) many games implement stat tracking and character ranking for multiplayer. This gives you an avenue to progress your character without influencing the straight skill match up of the players. If you have an issue with progression via stat tracking and player ranking, could you please elaborate on that?
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Jimra
03.06.2012 , 10:38 AM | #7
There are like 3 threads crying about this already.

Gear crutches in PvP are stupid, everyone should be relatively equal.

Catering to a small elitist (ELITIST NOT ELITE) group of people with massive amounts of time on their hands, who want to stomp so called 'casuals' with no skill required (because for some reason putting so much time should entitle them to) will NOT make a sustainable MMO. The people that play casually, i.e. have a life outside of MMOs, are what make up the subscriptions and keep the game profitable. Making 'hardcore' players gods of pvp will just drive everyone else away.

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EternalFinality
03.06.2012 , 10:38 AM | #8
By "progression" you really mean "I want to be more powerful and win easily" right?

You're hardcore. You already are more skilled than the casuals. You'll beat them with equal gear. Unless you're afraid that perhaps you won't?

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Antidentite
03.06.2012 , 10:39 AM | #9
except they already said they were adding progression gear to pvp...its just not going to have more stats.

its the best of both worlds. nubs can still get gear and can't complain about gear difference and pros can have shiny colors and titles that no one else has for epeen.
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Darth_Sookie
03.06.2012 , 10:39 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by RealAeiouy View Post
If you want to chase gear pve, if you want to fight others pvp.
Is that the word of GOD now or something seeing as you people keep saing it like the gospel.

Hell even COD and BF have gear progression.