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Warzone PVP: Only for hardcore players?

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Warzone PVP: Only for hardcore players?

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Zalgred
03.06.2012 , 08:55 AM | #1
I am a big fan of warzone pvp. I love the fact that i can queue my self while i keep questing with my friends, and most of the time, below lvl 50, is a lot of fun, cause despite the difference in lvl (ranges from lvl 10 to 49), teams are balanced and everyone can kill everyone.

My concern is for the lvl 50 bracket, where you see how ppl who is a casual pvp player who only wants to have fun gets annihilated by the hardcore players who have all the battlemaster gear with +600 expertise rating. Lets be honest, this is not fun and its very frustrating.

Right now if you hit lvl 50 and are a casual warzone pvp player, you better say goodbye to having fun at the matches, cause you will hit a huge wall called pvp gear, and if you don't have it, then you will suck at the match.

The difference of gear between a pve geared player and pvp geared player is abysmal, to the point that you will not kill anything on a 1 on 1 fight, not to mention that if the other side has a couple of troopers or consulars, or bounty hunters, inquisitors or agents, and they target you simultaneously you will die in a couple of seconds, and this is no fun at all.

PVP at lvl 50 should not be intended only for the hardcore players, who have all the gear and spend all day playing pvp matches.

There's a huge part of the community that is a causal pvp player, who likes to get into some player vs player action from time to time, but not enough to grind all the centurion, champion or battlemaster gear, so they will always be at a disadvantage against the haardcore players.

And the sad part is that once you hit lvl 50 you are screwed, you don't get to choose if you want or not to fight against the hardcore group of pvp players. The only option you have is to create a new alt and pvp with it, and let me tell ya that this can not be the option casual pvp players must take in other to keep doing warzones with our pve gear.

Something must be done about this, cause everyone though that separating the lvl 50's players was the best option for the lower lvls to be able to have fun in warzone matches, but the thing is that you need to separate those who are using the pvp gear from those who doesn't.

PVP between lvls 10 to 50 that don't have pvp gear is the same as lvls 1 to 49. Its not the lvl that makes the difference, its the gear.

I have nothing against hardcore pvp players, and i am happy for them because they will get the ranked system, and with it a lot of new challenges, but i am worried for those casual players that have no interest in getting the pvp gear, but they still want to enjoy some pvp action from time to time, and not feel completely useless against other players who have pvp gear with expertise rating.

Right now i had to create an alt to do pvp, because i just get to frustrated with my lvl 50 jedi guardian in the lvl 50 bracket, its no fun at all cause i cant kill anything and i can't protect anyone either, i am just to squishy against fully geared pvp sorcerer or bounty hunter (i have all lvl 50 purple gear, with rakata and columni stuff). I don't have the pvp gear, but not because i could not afford it, i have enough champion and centurion commendations, but i am pve player that does a lot of Flash Points and quests, etc. and i don't feel like having to use 15 inventory slots with the pvp gear just in case i decide to queue for a warzone.

This is something that must be addressed, or the pvp community will lose a lot of casual players.

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Archaar
03.06.2012 , 09:03 AM | #2
The PvP community is losing both casual AND hardcore players, problem is...if you make PvP gear easily available to fresh 50's which it is anyway, you annoy the "hardcore" elitist PvPer's who had to work for their gear. If you make gear harder to obtain so the hardcore players are happier, you alienate the casuals.

My solution, play Pong. It's a very balanced game.

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Abanoth
03.06.2012 , 09:05 AM | #3
PvP in Gear-based games is ineivtably gear-based and it's more obvious because you can't pick the level of difficulty you face. The ranked warzone system is an attempt to get the higher tier players into their own bracket so the others have a chance to progress without getting facerolled.
*Derp

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Khoraji
03.06.2012 , 09:10 AM | #4
simple solution... get some pvp gear. It takes like a week to get 500 expertise.

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Anthiel
03.06.2012 , 09:14 AM | #5
at 50 getting champ gear takes a 4-5 hour commitment over a 3 or 4 day span and that is hardcore? please ****in cry more your tears power my solid gold jewel encrusted death star.

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Merkinz
03.06.2012 , 09:18 AM | #6
I think they might be partially faking us out

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Zalgred
03.06.2012 , 09:34 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Anthiel View Post
at 50 getting champ gear takes a 4-5 hour commitment over a 3 or 4 day span and that is hardcore? please ****in cry more your tears power my solid gold jewel encrusted death star.
Grind grind grind... you are missing the point of the post.

The casual pvp player don't queue into matches to grind gear, they do it to have fun, but sadly when you hit lvl 50 you are being forced into a grinding system in order to be able to have fun again, cause you either do it and get the gear and so you can fight the pvp players that already have the gear, or you simple get into a frustrating clicle of being annihilated all the time.

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Olympic
03.06.2012 , 09:36 AM | #8
Since BW does everything else to please everyone, maybe they can add an XP lock so people can stop advancing at lvl 49 and stay in the sub-50 WZ que forever...

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Khoraji
03.06.2012 , 09:45 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Zalgred View Post
Grind grind grind... you are missing the point of the post.

The casual pvp player don't queue into matches to grind gear, they do it to have fun, but sadly when you hit lvl 50 you are being forced into a grinding system in order to be able to have fun again, cause you either do it and get the gear and so you can fight the pvp players that already have the gear, or you simple get into a frustrating clicle of being annihilated all the time.
A week of PvP isnt a "grind", its just progression.

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warkat
03.06.2012 , 09:47 AM | #10
Because of the OP Bioware now makes warhero gear in 1.2 require no rating..Because of the OP when this game goes free 2 play in 6 months Bioware will be sending everyone full warlord gear in the mailbox for paying your monthly sub. Welcome to Casual Wars.
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