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Please make it easier to enter flashpoints


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FalmeseReb
03.04.2012 , 05:57 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyraelium View Post
Is this difficult or inconvenient? lol..

Esseles? Isn't that Republic equivalent of Black Talon? Your problems are bigger than you think if you can't finish BT HM...
Esseles is actually one of the hardest hm on republic side. Ironfist has a headshot attack that deals 10-15k dmg on a 2 s cast time with a 6-10s cd.

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DragonSentry
03.04.2012 , 06:08 PM | #12
I agree with the OP.

I'm running my healer guildmate through normal Foundry right now so that he is eligible for the HM, and yesterday I had to run my marauder guildmate through both BP and then Foundry (despite the fact that he's done BP HM 3 or 4 times).

I still have no clue how to get people inside D7, HM or Normal.

This is particularly frustrating for our pint-sized guild. We've only got 5 50's, so having 1 or 2 not eligible for a FP means no run

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Battilea
03.04.2012 , 06:14 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by DragonSentry View Post
I agree with the OP.

I'm running my healer guildmate through normal Foundry right now so that he is eligible for the HM, and yesterday I had to run my marauder guildmate through both BP and then Foundry (despite the fact that he's done BP HM 3 or 4 times).
You don't have to do Foundry normal to do the hardmode. Simply open the journal, dump the normal version of the flashpoint, and pick up the hard mode from the guy by the entrance. And it isn't doing BP that qualifies you for the Foundry, but doing the Call to Arms mission and advancing it sufficiently, which involves doing BP, either normal or hard.

Speaking of Call to Arms, it'd actually be nice if that were required to have in order to qualify for BP. That way, anyone who has done BP at least once would qualify for the Foundry.

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I still have no clue how to get people inside D7, HM or Normal.
There's a droid in the SW outer ring of the main base that gives a mission called Immediate Vengeance. Believe you can pick it up on Ilum as well. With that, you are good to go for either version. If you want to do the hard mode right away, just dump the normal version (but keep Immediate Vengeance) and pick up the hard mode from the mission giver near the entrance of the flashpoint.

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This is particularly frustrating for our pint-sized guild. We've only got 5 50's, so having 1 or 2 not eligible for a FP means no run
The only one that would slow you down is the Foundry. All the rest can be done as hard modes right away, with the minor hassle of maybe having to pick up Immediate Vengeance for D7.

That said, it would be nice if there was a Call to Arms quest giver near the BP entrance and an Immediate Vengeance one right next to the D7 entrance.

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DragonSentry
03.04.2012 , 06:18 PM | #14
^ You are awesome.

Thanks for all the info, this will make my life a lot easier.

I still wish the system weren't so convoluted. Once you hit 50 or complete your class quest, or something, all the NPCs outside all the FPs should activate.

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Battilea
03.04.2012 , 06:38 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by DragonSentry View Post
I still wish the system weren't so convoluted. Once you hit 50 or complete your class quest, or something, all the NPCs outside all the FPs should activate.
I think the inconsistency doesn't help either.

D7 requires you to pick up a mission before it can be done, even though it has no follow up.

But Kaon, Battle of Ilum, and BP don't. However, to do the Foundry, you've got to advance the mission sufficiently. This though doesn't apply to False Emperor, which is to Battle of Ilum as Foundry is to Boarding Party. And who knows how it'll be with the Kaon follow up, when that gets added. Will it be like BP/Foundry or like BoI/FE?

They need to pick one method and consistently apply it to all the HMs.

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Ka-tel
03.05.2012 , 02:57 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by RolyartNala View Post
Tonight my group had a lot of difficulty just finding a flashpoint that we could all run. At 50, trying to do a HM, we first tried HM Esseles and couldn't get past first boss. That's on us. Then we headed to Taral 5, only to realize we couldn't just zone in and run it because half the group hadn't done the stupid Jedi Prisoner questline yet. This also eliminated Maelstrom Prison. So we head back to the Dropship Launcher and discover that none of those flashpoints had HMs. Okay. So we headed to Ilum, but discovered that for some reason one of our group members couldn't get the feeder quest for HM Battle for Ilum. Okay, so we ran False Emperor, but only after dealing with a bug that prevented half the group from entering the HM. We ran FE, and couldn't get past HK-47's enrage (our bad).

Even with our inability to kill certain bosses, it still just sucked trying to find a FP we could even run. It took us over an hour just to get started on FE. You know what I'd love to see? The removal of all the stupid feeder quests that prevent you from entering the FP. Either (1) remove them entirely and make each FP freely enterable, (2) tell us in the Codex where each starter NPC is, or (3) station the only NPC you need to enter RIGHT BY THE ZONE LINE. HM FPs are challenging enough without all the extra BS you deal with just trying to zone in. We almost gave up the whole enterprise just trying to enter a freaking FP. Why are there these barriers to entry? In every other MMO, you just zone in. Story (in the form of the feeder quests) shouldn't trump gameplay, BioWare.
It doesn't make sense to you that you need to complete normal before you can do hard mode? Seriously?

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Battilea
03.05.2012 , 03:34 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Ka-tel View Post
It doesn't make sense to you that you need to complete normal before you can do hard mode? Seriously?
You don't need to.

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ferroz
03.05.2012 , 06:31 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Icid View Post
You do not actually have to have completed the main story questline to do the instance on Hard.
You do have to have the first part of storyline (jedi prisoner) completed to do maelstrom on hard though.

And if you have a mix of people who've done the 1st flashpoint (Taral V) of that set and people who haven't, and people who've done it dropped the jedi quest to free up space while leveling... it can be confusing even getting people into Taral V

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You can also have someone share the Hard Mode version if you are having issues getting the NPC to give the quest.
Did not work for us.

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ferroz
03.05.2012 , 06:33 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyraelium View Post
Is this difficult or inconvenient? lol..

Esseles? Isn't that Republic equivalent of Black Talon? Your problems are bigger than you think if you can't finish BT HM...
Esseles is one of the more difficult hard modes for republic, while Black Talon is one of the easiest for imperials. So you're comparing apples to oranges.

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Aritok
03.05.2012 , 06:34 AM | #20
here you can clearly see who was playing the game, and who was only rushing to 50.

I did every Flashpoint during the leveling. And i have no problems at all to find these, or to do these on normal or hard.


Just because some are simply not able to do some easys quests, everything to be changed? Just want the easy way: NPC, Hard, Go, Loot.

In my opinion, every flashpoint should be unlocked by a questchain. No entry for these who dont want, or arnt able to do this.


Quote: Originally Posted by Tyraelium View Post
Is this difficult or inconvenient? lol..

Esseles? Isn't that Republic equivalent of Black Talon? Your problems are bigger than you think if you can't finish BT HM...
Comparing the easiest HM flashpoint with one of the hardest is not really smart. In case you dont know, Esseles is not compareable with BT, just because the HS Guy is insane.

As far as i know BT is even soloable. Good luck trying this with Essles.....