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A Primer on the Emperor


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Anysao
05.18.2012 , 01:51 PM | #41
Didn't read much of it, sorry.

But from what I did see...
He was actually born on a planet known as NATHEEMA. it was also the planet he sacrificed for immortality.
He IS (was?) a sith pureblood.

Sorry, I know it sounds rude, but I couldn't help but correct you.
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Ranadiel_Marius
05.18.2012 , 06:43 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Anysao View Post
Didn't read much of it, sorry.

But from what I did see...
He was actually born on a planet known as NATHEEMA. it was also the planet he sacrificed for immortality.
He IS (was?) a sith pureblood.

Sorry, I know it sounds rude, but I couldn't help but correct you.
No he was born on Medriaas. He later conquered it and renamed it Natheema, but the name of the planet when he was born on it was Medriaas.

And what precisly is your evidence that he is definatly a Sith Pureblood?
A Primer on the Emperor(yes this does have spoiler)

One Night Stands and Similar Encounter (spoilers again, and I am probably going to repost this sometime in the future)

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Dranett
05.19.2012 , 12:15 AM | #43
Kudos on a great job i really enjoyed reading that!

Now for my opinions.
Well i actually don't think that we can create a timeline of what happened after the treaty of coruscant (ATC) because of bioware's legacy system it more or less depends on the player but your interpretation of it can be accurate also we shouldn't forget the fact that all these characters are related to each other somehow they can even be spouses so until a canon for this story shows up we are left to speculation but the fact that all these characters being related (and i include nemesis as related as well) may very well mean that they may eventually have to work together or fight with each other in this case anything can happen we just have to wait and see. In my opinion BW hasn't failed in the story department in any of their games yet.
As for the emperor i don't think that we will be able to kill him permenantly in this game sure he probably will show up as a raid boss but i dont think that he will be destroyed. The reason i think like this is because this game is an mmo and not just an mmo it's story based so we players need something at the end of the road a cliffhanger for us to expect new content etc. As in my case i play this game mostly for its story aspect and ending the emperor, in a raid would just be unsatisfactory for me. But of course that's just me.

Now for the emperor's intentions i don't think we can classify them as evil or that he is using the dark side to do everything he does. He seems to want to become a god in lamest terms. Now his idea is to consume everything why because of power well i think one would want more of a motivation than power to consume everything in the known universe . In my opinion he is trying to become the living and the unifiying force themselves by consuming everything in the universe he will be the only one... or the one... the begining the end when i say this don't just assume planets imagine time and space itself being sucked up by this lunatic it would be nothingness and as he says i will watch the cycle begin again so in his opinion creating anew universe for himself but the idea is not to rule that universe i think the idea itself is becoming the force itself as it is the pinnacle of existance it is the goal both jedi and sith try to achive throughout their lives there is no death there is the force or my chains are broken the force will free me chains can easily be interpreded as your bond to life. The emperor though is different in one way that he wants to consume the force not become one with it but why? It can be really simple that he just wants to achieve the code but thats too lame and convinient it can be like Kreia his intentions may be good and he may want to rid the universe from the force by becoming and controlling it but thats redundant and resembels the reaper story also if you are creating the universe by using the force, wouldn't that give you a hint as by denying the universe that essence might just destroy it. Noo BW's writers are too smart for that so what else ?? Anything! The idea behind this being is that its unpredictibility and so far his amazing power for all we know this all act of jedi knight the dark counsel or the bussiness with the wrath can be his amusement to discard us when he gets bored, or he can have some form of weakness, maybe in the end he may destroy himself, maybe revan will come, maybe he will teleport himself to the future, maybe he will get what he wants bu none of us will be the wiser all we can speculate is that he plans to change something in the foce itself, witch i find fascinating beacause of how the force was implemented throughout the whole saga. With unlimited amount of options to choose from for this character im actually sad that one of them will be chosen to end his story.

PS: sorry for any spelling errors i kinda got exited at some places so i may have made a few of them

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Anysao
05.19.2012 , 12:40 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Ranadiel_Marius View Post
No he was born on Medriaas. He later conquered it and renamed it Natheema, but the name of the planet when he was born on it was Medriaas.

And what precisly is your evidence that he is definatly a Sith Pureblood?
Ahh, he RENAMED it NATHEEMA. Wow I feel like an idiot. Interesting.

And I do remember reading in the revan book mentioning somewhere he was a Sith blood. I obviously don't remember exact line, but it seems to really stick with me.
Sadly, I read it on a KINDLE, so Itll be hard for me to dig it up again. I remember it was more accurate to say he WAS a pureblood. After 1000 years of dark energy, his body wasn't just paled, it was deformed. If you saw him on Jedi knight act II finale... He was wrapped in bandages. I think that mummified creep IS his body so to speak.
I honestly thought the humanoid version we knights fight, was him, but he drew some dark-sided pale his crimson, went white.
I didn't mean to see rude last post. This is al very interesting to me. I apalogize for being so.. Oblivious.

Re read the part of the revan book where scourge talks to Nyriss after nearly killing her servant in his bed. When Shea revealing the conspiracy, I believe the pureblood reference is around there.
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Skolops
05.19.2012 , 05:28 AM | #45
How does this all relate to Palpatine and his death in RotJ?

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Ranadiel_Marius
05.19.2012 , 05:28 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Dranett View Post
Kudos on a great job i really enjoyed reading that!

Now for my opinions.
Well i actually don't think that we can create a timeline of what happened after the treaty of coruscant (ATC) because of bioware's legacy system it more or less depends on the player but your interpretation of it can be accurate also we shouldn't forget the fact that all these characters are related to each other somehow they can even be spouses so until a canon for this story shows up we are left to speculation but the fact that all these characters being related (and i include nemesis as related as well) may very well mean that they may eventually have to work together or fight with each other in this case anything can happen we just have to wait and see. In my opinion BW hasn't failed in the story department in any of their games yet.
You can cite Legacy as a reason why a timeline is impossible, but that doesn't work if you really look at the stories. The stories are clearly meant to occur at the same time with certain events happening before others. The Legacy family tree is really more of an RP tool for RPs where you aren't playing the class storylines or for headcannon where all the characters exist simultaneously. It is possible through Legacy to create situations as shown in the story that are simply impossible to actually happen.

Easiest example is through the SI and SW. If you have your SI as the father or grandfather or some similar relation to your SW, with the implication that the SI finished his class storyline before the SW started his, it creates discontinuities. Main one being that Darth Thanaton is sitting on the Dark Council during the SW's finale despite apparently being dead for decades. And upon rereading your comment I'm not entirely sure what you were going for, I just launched into the Legacy tirade because you said "i don't think that we can create a timeline of what happened after the treaty of coruscant (ATC) because of bioware's legacy system."

I'm just going to bottom line this argument since I'm losing focus, there is a set order of events(even though we can only guess at large portions of it), and Legacy does not have any impact on the order of these events because the war is only reignited once and it occurs between Chapter 2 and Chapter 3 for all classes.

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Now for the emperor's intentions i don't think we can classify them as evil or that he is using the dark side to do everything he does. He seems to want to become a god in lamest terms.
I really need to add this to the FAQ section during my next update(whenever that is). The Emperor's intention is to become immortal so he can go to another galaxy and then live an infinite number of lives experiencing every type of life there is such as a farmer, artist or simple man. He states it outright. He isn't interested in being a god(well okay he'll probably live the life of an avatar of a god at some point, but he'll also be a baker once). All he wants is to see the infitite possibilities of life. Not an evil goal in and of itself, but his means(killing an enitre galaxy certainly is).

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And I do remember reading in the revan book mentioning somewhere he was a Sith blood. I obviously don't remember exact line, but it seems to really stick with me.
Sadly, I read it on a KINDLE, so Itll be hard for me to dig it up again. I remember it was more accurate to say he WAS a pureblood. After 1000 years of dark energy, his body wasn't just paled, it was deformed. If you saw him on Jedi knight act II finale... He was wrapped in bandages. I think that mummified creep IS his body so to speak.
I honestly thought the humanoid version we knights fight, was him, but he drew some dark-sided pale his crimson, went white.
I didn't mean to see rude last post. This is al very interesting to me. I apalogize for being so.. Oblivious.

Re read the part of the revan book where scourge talks to Nyriss after nearly killing her servant in his bed. When Shea revealing the conspiracy, I believe the pureblood reference is around there.
Honestly I haven't read the book. x_x Bad of me I know. I need to pick it up sometime. However regarding the Emperor being a Pureblood, if it is from the Revan book then you are probably thinking about the Scourge encounter. In which case read the section "The problem with Scourge" as I have a discussion on that specific meeting in there and why it is inconclusive about the Emperor's true species.

As for the "mummified" body, evidence points to that being the Emperor's Voice when it was in a Voss body. I don't remember which section I actually discuss that though.
A Primer on the Emperor(yes this does have spoiler)

One Night Stands and Similar Encounter (spoilers again, and I am probably going to repost this sometime in the future)

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Dranett
05.19.2012 , 07:24 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Ranadiel_Marius View Post
You can cite Legacy as a reason why a timeline is impossible, but that doesn't work if you really look at the stories. The stories are clearly meant to occur at the same time with certain events happening before others. The Legacy family tree is really more of an RP tool for RPs where you aren't playing the class storylines or for headcannon where all the characters exist simultaneously. It is possible through Legacy to create situations as shown in the story that are simply impossible to actually happen.

Easiest example is through the SI and SW. If you have your SI as the father or grandfather or some similar relation to your SW, with the implication that the SI finished his class storyline before the SW started his, it creates discontinuities. Main one being that Darth Thanaton is sitting on the Dark Council during the SW's finale despite apparently being dead for decades. And upon rereading your comment I'm not entirely sure what you were going for, I just launched into the Legacy tirade because you said "i don't think that we can create a timeline of what happened after the treaty of coruscant (ATC) because of bioware's legacy system."

I'm just going to bottom line this argument since I'm losing focus, there is a set order of events(even though we can only guess at large portions of it), and Legacy does not have any impact on the order of these events because the war is only reignited once and it occurs between Chapter 2 and Chapter 3 for all classes.
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oh i think you misunderstood what i was trying to go for there or maybe i wasn't quite able to tell it. I wasn't saying that your interpretation was wrong or anything but there isn't anything out there canon wise stating the details i understand some events must have happened before or after one another but BW has a strange way of implementing their gameplay elements into the storyline. They may remove darth thanaton from that scene and ad your grandfather kallig to it. But this is just speculation and probably not gonna happen as i said on my first post your timeline can be accurate but a lot will change with what the game is trying to do.

Secondly about the emperor well god was probably the wrong word to use there. What i was trying to say was his intentions evolve with him at first he is fueled by his fear of death thats why he tries to find immortality with this immortality though comes his hunger to consume well everything as you said he wanted to experience infinite possibilities of life but his ideas his intentions did start by saying i don't want to die... ever (this is not an actual quote) but eventually his intentions evolved into consuming everything in the universe therefore becoming the only remaining force.When i said a god i said in lamest terms the idea is that him trying to become the only being in the universe then eventually consume the universe aswell. The remarks i made after that were pure speculation but the emperors main idea in the story is not to become a being of pure power it is to become the only and every being there is.

And the evilness or the dark side well i wasn't saying that he was a good person but tried to say he was neither Light side creates harmony protects life while the dark side creates chaos it's idea is to destroy life two sides of the same coin one cannot exist without the other and they are always in balance .The emperor in this case disturbs the balance of the force by trying to make himself immortal thats why we cannot clasify him as a dark side force user or even evil.

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Temeluchus
05.19.2012 , 10:49 AM | #48
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Now for the emperor's intentions i don't think we can classify them as evil or that he is using the dark side to do everything he does. He seems to want to become a god in lamest terms. Now his idea is to consume everything why because of power well i think one would want more of a motivation than power to consume everything in the known universe . In my opinion he is trying to become the living and the unifiying force themselves by consuming everything in the universe he will be the only one... or the one... the begining the end when i say this don't just assume planets imagine time and space itself being sucked up by this lunatic it would be nothingness and as he says i will watch the cycle begin again so in his opinion creating anew universe for himself but the idea is not to rule that universe i think the idea itself is becoming the force itself as it is the pinnacle of existance it is the goal both jedi and sith try to achive throughout their lives there is no death there is the force or my chains are broken the force will free me chains can easily be interpreded as your bond to life.
I think that the Emperor does indeed wish to experience life in all it's forms etc as he says but if you strip his motivations and intentions down to their very core, you see that he is terrified of dying. he is doing and trying everything in his power to avoid dying and achieve true immortality. A few NPCS have commented on it, but I really believe that is his core motivation.

That motivation is what makes the Emperor work on certain levels, BW wrote the Emperor to play on a fear that humanity has had since the dawn of mankind. How far would you go to avoid dying if you didn't believe in a God, afterlife, or ability to achieve oneness with the Force?

Playing on fears like this are what help make the Sith truly convincing and scarier than your typical psycopathic slasher, take Sidious and Anakin for example. Anakain's fall to the dark side started with his fear of losing his mother and the fear of losing Padme, Sidious took advantage of this and turned him from Anakin to Vader. How far would you go to protect the ones you love and what would you do if you failed to protect them? Once again it plays on a fear mankind has.

As I said, this is all just my opinion, but I like to look at the deeper motivations of characters, not just the oh, he did that because he is evil or he does that because he wants to kill everyone in the galaxy.
"Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night.

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Dranett
05.19.2012 , 11:32 PM | #49
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I think that the Emperor does indeed wish to experience life in all it's forms etc as he says but if you strip his motivations and intentions down to their very core, you see that he is terrified of dying. he is doing and trying everything in his power to avoid dying and achieve true immortality. A few NPCS have commented on it, but I really believe that is his core motivation.

That motivation is what makes the Emperor work on certain levels, BW wrote the Emperor to play on a fear that humanity has had since the dawn of mankind. How far would you go to avoid dying if you didn't believe in a God, afterlife, or ability to achieve oneness with the Force?

Playing on fears like this are what help make the Sith truly convincing and scarier than your typical psycopathic slasher, take Sidious and Anakin for example. Anakain's fall to the dark side started with his fear of losing his mother and the fear of losing Padme, Sidious took advantage of this and turned him from Anakin to Vader. How far would you go to protect the ones you love and what would you do if you failed to protect them? Once again it plays on a fear mankind has.

As I said, this is all just my opinion, but I like to look at the deeper motivations of characters, not just the oh, he did that because he is evil or he does that because he wants to kill everyone in the galaxy.
of course the core motivaton is fear of death but that was when he was mortal.He is or at least now he beleives he is immortal and his motivations changed. He doesn't want power though and he doesn't want to kill everyone just for the sake of killing everyone he wants to consume everyone and everything to experience them.

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Temeluchus
05.20.2012 , 10:37 AM | #50
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of course the core motivaton is fear of death but that was when he was mortal.He is or at least now he beleives he is immortal and his motivations changed. He doesn't want power though and he doesn't want to kill everyone just for the sake of killing everyone he wants to consume everyone and everything to experience them.
I'm pretty sure he isn't immortal in the truest sense of the word. yes, he's been alive for 1400+ years and continues to do so. But he can be killed, which is why he keeps his true body hidden, why he attempts to convert and then kill the JK(who is the Chosen One) etc.

Fear of his true body dying is what motivates his quest for power, it's what has motivated every quest for immortality in the epic sagas,poems and stories of humanity. I seriously doubt the motivation behind the murder of trilions upon trillions of citizens in the galaxy is due to a desire to experience life in it's different forms. Even if the Emperor is completely off his rocker, that's a pretty lame excuse for genocide.
"Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night.