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Upgraded my CPU and am very pleased

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Malastare
03.02.2012 , 02:48 PM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by Marmerus View Post
Wrong.

Only in theory. In practice the life span of a SSD is shorter than that of a normal HDD.
Sure. Under some conditions.

However, the lifespan of an SSD, at its shortest, is longer than the majority of people's PCs. In normal use, they can easily last ten years.

Considering a normal HDD can't sustain the write speeds required to "kill" an SSD in five years, it seems like an unfair comparison.

Quote: Originally Posted by Marmerus View Post
And the more you use it the faster it becomes slower. If possible you should put your pagefile on your RAMDISK or turn it off completely if you have no applications or games that uses it.
This was the case for drives that did not use TRIM. In modern times, TRIM has almost entirely eliminated the slowdown over time. Slowdown still occurs as more sectors are filled, but the same effect happens on spindle drives.

Here, this article seems to be well written, and unlike many people's knowledge, up-to-date.

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Marmerus
03.02.2012 , 03:04 PM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by Malastare View Post
Sure. Under some conditions.

However, the lifespan of an SSD, at its shortest, is longer than the majority of people's PCs. In normal use, they can easily last ten years.

Considering a normal HDD can't sustain the write speeds required to "kill" an SSD in five years, it seems like an unfair comparison.



This was the case for drives that did not use TRIM. In modern times, TRIM has almost entirely eliminated the slowdown over time. Slowdown still occurs as more sectors are filled, but the same effect happens on spindle drives.

Here, this article seems to be well written, and unlike many people's knowledge, up-to-date.
You just posted a link to a guy who goes after the theory and not practice at all.

A normal HDD can have really fast write speeds and more than often faster than most second generation SSDs when writing large files.
Like my Intel x25-m g2 could write at 80mb/s when it was new. Now it writes at 60mb/s while my WD Blacks at raid-0 writes at 270mb/s.

The point in getting a SSD is not the read or write speed, it is the access time. Accessing small files fast and efficient is what makes them great. This way your OS and programs loads much faster than with a normal HDDs.


Another problem is the limited storage. When the size of the transistors shrinks the storage increases but the performance goes down at the same time. So it will not be until we can move over to nano tubes we should be seeing reliable, big and fast SSDs.
@ Bioware
Stop trolling the EU. Fix the downtimes to the middle of the night and not in the middle of the morning / day.

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Malastare
03.02.2012 , 03:24 PM | #133
Quote: Originally Posted by Marmerus View Post
You just posted a link to a guy who goes after the theory and not practice at all.
No, I posted a link to a guy talking about current generation SSDs not old technology and irrelevant comparisons.

Yeah, your x25-m slowed down a bit. It's old. It was the first drive from Intel that included TRIM. Intel and other controller manufacturers have drastically improved since then. Giving people advice based on out-of-date information is not helpful.

Quote: Originally Posted by Marmerus View Post
A normal HDD can have really fast write speeds and more than often faster than most second generation SSDs when writing large files.
That's fantastic. How many people are buying second generation SSDs now?

Let's look at some relevant data. One of the middle-of-the-road SSDs from a couple years ago, the Crucial C300, has full native TRIM support, a modern wear-leveling algorithm, and supports write speeds just shy of 200MB/s.

Yeah, a RAID array can match that write performance... on clean disks with sequential writes. The moment you start talking about actual real-world applications, not even a RAID array can match a modern SSD.

Of the two... I'd much rather take the SSD: less heat, less noise, less power, and much less chance of having the whole thing corrupt.

Quote: Originally Posted by Marmerus View Post
The point in getting a SSD is not the read or write speed, it is the access time. Accessing small files fast and efficient is what makes them great. This way your OS and programs loads much faster than with a normal HDDs.
Face it: modern SSDs beat spindle drives in every metric except drive size: better read speed, better write speed, better random I/O performance, drastically lower latency.

Talking about how SSDs were four years ago is pointless when you're trying to explain things to people who are looking at them now.

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SirRobin
03.02.2012 , 03:29 PM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by LaVolpex View Post
i also have a phenom , and altough it runs very playable to me , i need an upgrade soon....


i was thinking one of those new bulldozer amds , i hate intels (amazing proccessors i just simply refuse to pay their overpriced **** cuz they feel like manipulating the market)
Upgraded to the AMD FX-Series FX-4100(3.6GHz) and I am very happy with it so far.

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hegyitaho
03.02.2012 , 03:31 PM | #135
it's funny how you have to have a top notch rig to run an mmo
scalability? good performance with modest hardware? that's for the weak...
i have fps issues and the problem is my phenom II x4. this game likes intel only.

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Marmerus
03.02.2012 , 03:58 PM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by Malastare View Post
No, I posted a link to a guy talking about current generation SSDs not old technology and irrelevant comparisons.

Yeah, your x25-m slowed down a bit. It's old. It was the first drive from Intel that included TRIM. Intel and other controller manufacturers have drastically improved since then. Giving people advice based on out-of-date information is not helpful.



That's fantastic. How many people are buying second generation SSDs now?

Let's look at some relevant data. One of the middle-of-the-road SSDs from a couple years ago, the Crucial C300, has full native TRIM support, a modern wear-leveling algorithm, and supports write speeds just shy of 200MB/s.

Yeah, a RAID array can match that write performance... on clean disks with sequential writes. The moment you start talking about actual real-world applications, not even a RAID array can match a modern SSD.

Of the two... I'd much rather take the SSD: less heat, less noise, less power, and much less chance of having the whole thing corrupt.



Face it: modern SSDs beat spindle drives in every metric except drive size: better read speed, better write speed, better random I/O performance, drastically lower latency.

Talking about how SSDs were four years ago is pointless when you're trying to explain things to people who are looking at them now.
Actually Im talking about SSDs now and 3 years into the future. And that guy is only talking about theory and not about actual use of the drives.

I did a comparison with my Intel SSD because you said that with Trim the slow downs would not be noticeable. Im using a Revodrive 3 as disk for OS but I would not dream of using it for pagefile or similar just because of the slowdowns I got from doing that with my Intel SSD. And since I have 32gb ram I don't see the reason not to use my ramdisk for the pagefile. After all its more than 14 times faster than my Revo.

The SSDs uses more power in idle state than normal HDDs. So if your not actively use your HD often you might save power with a normal drive.
Noise is not really a problem unless you are sitting on a sub par chassi.
And you have a MUCH higher risk of your SSD breaking. Only Intels disks is somewhere close to normal HDDs while other brands like OCZ vertex series is more likely to break down.
Quote: Originally Posted by hegyitaho View Post
it's funny how you have to have a top notch rig to run an mmo
scalability? good performance with modest hardware? that's for the weak...
i have fps issues and the problem is my phenom II x4. this game likes intel only.
I have Intel 3930k with dual 6970. Im getting pretty good fps now that CF is supported. But I do get MASSIVE stuttering now and then when close to transparent objects like fog, smoke and random windows.
So something is clearly wrong with the game engine.
@ Bioware
Stop trolling the EU. Fix the downtimes to the middle of the night and not in the middle of the morning / day.

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Panasync
03.02.2012 , 04:06 PM | #137
your old phenom 2.2 x4 more than likely suffered from the TLB bug in that line of processors, that killed performance. It was a hardware defect with that CPU, that caused the machine to randomly lock up. Microsoft's software fix for the hardware bug killed its performance.

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Mephistofilus
03.02.2012 , 04:42 PM | #138
Ok so the two PC's I am looking at come with the following HDs:

Hard Drive: * 60 GB OCZ Agility 3 SATA III 6.0Gb/s SSD - 525MB/s Read & 475MB/s Write (Single Drive)
Data Hard Drive: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)

The other one has the following:

Hard Drive: 120 GB Intel 520 Series SATA-III 6.0Gb/s - 550 MB/s Read & 520 MB/s Write
(This does not say SSD but it is listed under the SSD drive category when you go the to page that lists the HD choices for this build experiement so I'm assuming it is in fact an SSD drive.

Data Hard Drive: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)


So it seems both of the first Hard Drives, (Not the data HD's for the PC's),
are SSD drives. Could I swap either of those drives for lets say a:

2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD,
or a 600GB Gaming Western Digital VelociRaptor 10,000RPM SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache WD6000HLHX (Single Drive)....
WITHOUT having to do anything else to the PC's?

Like I said I have never done this before so I dont know if you have to have an SSD with the other drives on these PC's to match something or it does not matter.
Also... would upgrading those HD's make a need for a different power supply or more fans?

Thanks

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MuNieK
03.02.2012 , 04:50 PM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by Inarai View Post
Most people won't notice until the frame-rate drops under 30. The "under 60 is terrible" folks fall into one of two categories:

- Experienceing a placebo effect from knowing the frame-rate, likely due to a conversation with someone from the second group.
- A certain small portion of the population is actually able to notice frame-to-frame lag before 60 frames. After that, it's pretty much impossible.
You are mistaken. 25fps is the lowest limit before you see actuall slideshow. That doesnt mean you cant see the difference in smoothness if it goes up, especially if the fps is closely related to your ability of controlling the motion on screen (like turning camera), lead cursor and interact with motion. I know each time im dropping under 50fps. I could say i know difference between 50 and 60, but of that im not that sure.
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btw. i have i5 2500K myself and sometimes he is still hammered heavily on fleet on peak hours and its always hammered on alderaan warzone, so no... i5 2500K doesnt rotflstomp swtor. Even overclocked i7 cant do that - this engine simply disallows that.

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commiewithagun
03.02.2012 , 04:56 PM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by mhuntly View Post
I had a 2.2GHz amd phenom x4 and upgraded to a i5 2500k. The i5 rofl stomps this game. I also have an msi 560ti twinfrozer2/oc. I have all graphics settings maxed out besides aa is on low and get 100+ fps besides in illums major battles I bog down to about 40fps which is completely payable. That is due to the servers not the "bad code".

You have no idea how computers work. Stop talking before you embarrass yourself further.