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Is there some sort of Assassin tanking build?

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Is there some sort of Assassin tanking build?

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reuterrat
02.29.2012 , 09:10 PM | #1
I roled Jugg and enjoy tanking for the most part, but everytime I have an assassin in my group, they are ALWAYS pulling aggro... ON PURPOSE! I see that little "taunt" animation over and over and am always struggling to pull in all the straggling mobs and blowing my taunt pulling aggro back from them.


At first I thought I was just with some bad players, but it seems to happen EVERY time. What is the deal with this and is their some assassin role I'm missing?


Also,is the concept of focus fire not important in this game? Cause this is another struggle I have with members of my FP parties.

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reuterrat
02.29.2012 , 09:35 PM | #2
Meh... I now see that there is. Kind of annoying honestly, because I thought I was rolling one of the pure tanking classes and come to find out it is outshined by a class that doesn't seem to make sense as a tank. Would have been nice to know before rolling.... Oh well.

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SootyTX
02.29.2012 , 09:51 PM | #3
Yes, the Shadow Kinetic tree is a tanking tree - I'd suggest asking if the shadows you group with are tank spec or not in the future to avoid confusion

As for focus fire - its important but many multiple mob fights don't necessarily need it right from the start. Tank picks up the biggest one or two mobs just as any CC you have in the group lands (wait a second longer for those that can only be applied out of combat, like the shadow's one). Then dps burns down non-tanked mobs asap, starting with weak/normal, then strong, then elites before turning the ones being tanked, then everyone moves to CCed mobs one at a time.

Until everyone is on the elites, focus fire is not really important - it'll help marginally but isn't worth worrying about tbh. Once you are at elites - and its possible a dps may have to off-tank an elite if you don't have enough CC - then focus them down in the order set when you created the group based on the markers assigned. My gunnery commando 'off-tanks' regularly as any half-way competent healer can keep her going against an elite while still healing the tank with 2 or 3 mobs on him. DPS Guardians are great at this too.

The key to all this is preparing - ask what roles people fit, don't assume every shadow is dps, every guardian is tank or every sage is heals. Select a marker for each CC capable player, set your kill order and mark targets so everyone knows what is going on.

E.g. I use lightning bolt for my CC, the purple cog if group has a second CC, kill order is usually red-yellow-white-blue(shield)-purple-lightning. Since my CC can be re-applied in combat mine is usually the last to be killed.

After the first pull or two people get into a flow - I mark the targets, hit Z to unholster my assault cannon to show I'm ready and start my CC activation, the tank leaps/pulls as timer is almost complete and we go to town.

Some simple prep and communication early makes FPs a lot easier and a lot more fun.

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reuterrat
02.29.2012 , 10:02 PM | #4
Well I make it fairly clear that I'm taking the tank roll, but I just assumed that Assassins fell into dps rolls only. Had no idea they could tank, thought they were pure light armor and squishy.

And the focus fire bit is mainly about elites. I've just had quite a few wipes where it seems like everyone is just dpsing their own mobs. Once again, I feel like Assassins do this all too often. I guess maybe because they are trying to tank an extra elite, but I just don't see that as necessary in a 4 man, low level FP. I think maybe I'm just getting overly frustrated because I'm still unclear of all the various class roles having only played Merc and Jugg.

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XtremJedi
03.01.2012 , 01:58 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by reuterrat View Post
Meh... I now see that there is. Kind of annoying honestly, because I thought I was rolling one of the pure tanking classes and come to find out it is outshined by a class that doesn't seem to make sense as a tank. Would have been nice to know before rolling.... Oh well.
Well.. you're not necessarily being 'outshined' by him. Since taunt effects will always pull aggro and put the taunter at the top of the threat list in ToR... if they're using their taunts, then they will take aggro a lot. You may have built up a whole load of threat, then when he taunts he gains the benefit of all of that.... but your own taunts will do the same of course.

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Parthis
03.01.2012 , 03:14 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by reuterrat View Post
Meh... I now see that there is. Kind of annoying honestly, because I thought I was rolling one of the pure tanking classes and come to find out it is outshined by a class that doesn't seem to make sense as a tank. Would have been nice to know before rolling.... Oh well.
lol... just, yeah.

Disappointed.

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jerusalemman
03.01.2012 , 03:51 AM | #7
In a dps role he should not be taunting,
if he does , let him take aggro and when he dies you just tell him why

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Baelish
03.01.2012 , 04:45 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by jerusalemman View Post
In a dps role he should not be taunting,
if he does , let him take aggro and when he dies you just tell him why

A much better approach would be to say beforehand that Taunting is your job and anyone else should only use Taunts in dire emergency (getting a Strong off the Healer, say), because taunting mobs the Tank has Aggro on just makes the party's job harder. Then you can get all hard-assed and macho about who you leave to die.

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ImpressiveSir
03.01.2012 , 12:46 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Baelish View Post
A much better approach would be to say beforehand that Taunting is your job and anyone else should only use Taunts in dire emergency (getting a Strong off the Healer, say), because taunting mobs the Tank has Aggro on just makes the party's job harder. Then you can get all hard-assed and macho about who you leave to die.
I've tried being the nice guy and doing just that. Most people ina pug seem to get all upset and nerdrage yelling stop telling them how to DPS.

If it's any consolation, I don't laugh anymore when i let a DPS die because they taunt off me.

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reuterrat
03.01.2012 , 04:09 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by XtremJedi View Post
Well.. you're not necessarily being 'outshined' by him. Since taunt effects will always pull aggro and put the taunter at the top of the threat list in ToR... if they're using their taunts, then they will take aggro a lot. You may have built up a whole load of threat, then when he taunts he gains the benefit of all of that.... but your own taunts will do the same of course.

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I didn't mean it like that. Just meant that from what I've read around these forums, Assassin tanks seem to be > Juggs for endgame tanking. Seems odd and coming in to the game without doing the research ahead of time that is not something you would figure to be the case. I guess it's kinda cool that every class can fill so many roles, but just kicking myself for not looking into it more in depth from the beginning.