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Was Vader overrated? Why and Who's better?

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Was Vader overrated? Why and Who's better?

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Ensquire
02.29.2012 , 07:34 PM | #1
I'm saying yes, mostly because i lost all respect for the character during episodes 2-3.
Reven would have taken Vader to school.
Reven won and ended the Mandolian Wars, discovered an ancient race of fish people and the star forge, and went to war with the republic. Had he not lost his memory when malak betrayed him. The republic would have most likely lost the war. but as it stands even when he lost his memory he still kicked ***

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Aximand
02.29.2012 , 09:21 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Ensquire View Post
I'm saying yes, mostly because i lost all respect for the character during episodes 2-3.
Reven would have taken Vader to school.
Reven won and ended the Mandolian Wars, discovered an ancient race of fish people and the star forge, and went to war with the republic. Had he not lost his memory when malak betrayed him. The republic would have most likely lost the war. but as it stands even when he lost his memory he still kicked ***


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Wolfninjajedi
02.29.2012 , 09:21 PM | #3
I don't see how you can overrate a character who has done some pretty incredible things. Overrating them to me, is like saying they could kill anyone without backing it up with canon facts of why or how they would.
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Marius_Xerxes
02.29.2012 , 09:25 PM | #4
As long as Lucas says his creation is better then anyone else's.. Vader wins.

He will never let his own iconic character be overshadowed by someone at Bioware's creation.

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Ensquire
02.29.2012 , 09:28 PM | #5
Vaders Greatest Accomplishment was the destruction of the Jedi Order on corrusant. Some say he killed hundreds of Jedi masters, but this is in fact false.
Jedi Gate Mater Jurrak was slain by Vader by surprise. When Anaken asked Jurrak where Shakk ti was, Jurrak told him she was in meditation, anaken slayed him. Giving the jedi no chance to defend himself.
Vader then killed the librarian Jocasta Nu by surprise, as she was giving him access to communication room. She barley had time to ignite her lightsaber.
The clone army meanwhile went into the foray and went to battle against the jedi. Then the clone army made there way to the High counsel chambers to clear out the remaining Jedi. (I’d imagine this is where the most powerful of the jedi where in the “High counsel chamber” however this is only speculation on my part)
Some Jedi students ambush Vader and his forces (I suggest they’re students because vader uses the force to use a statue to crush them and any Jedi of worth is not going to get crushed by a statue.)
Then he gets on a anti air craft gun and gun’s down some Jedi interceptors
Serra Keto’s a young jedi who used duel light sabers, her and Vader squared off and she almost had his head, but all in all Vader was a superior in the dance of light sabers.
Then he went and fought Jedi Drallig who was protecting some children padawans.
Then he goes and murders some children in cold blood.
Shaak ti was able to match Vader skills but was more concerned about getting the remaining survivors to safety then dueling him. So she disorientated the great **** lord and escape. (Force Unleashed, it can be interpreted that by sending Starkiller to defeat Shaak ti, he was afraid to fight her himself)

So the fall of the Jedi Temple… How is this an ACCOMPLISHMENT?!? The guy surprises the jedi, betrays them, and fights one jedi of worth who has some basic idea of lightsaber combat, and THAT’S IT? How are all you faboy in love with this guy? He a child killer, that’s it…

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02.29.2012 , 09:29 PM | #6
If you look up Overated in the dictionary, Revan is the 1st picture, followed by Kreia.
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02.29.2012 , 09:35 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Marius_Xerxes View Post
As long as Lucas says his creation is better then anyone else's.. Vader wins.

He will never let his own iconic character be overshadowed by someone at Bioware's creation.
Eh... another one referencing a senile old man who directs movies from the comfort of a lawnchair, who constantly changes his films for the worse, with credibility shot in his recent bowel movement "Red Tails." He couldn't even link Obi Wan's saying "1000 generations the Jedi were guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic," to Palpatine's saying in the prequels, "I will not allow this Republic that has stood for a thousand years to be split in two." A year is vastly different than a generation...... if he couldn't keep that consistent why are you putting any credibility in what he says, he hasn't had complete ownership of Star Wars since ESB... in his recent changes, he obviously doesn't understand the tones expressed in his movies; ask Lucas to name the Solo children... he wouldn't be able to do it Im certain... he doesn't care, he only cares about money. And if you give credibility in someone who only cares about the bottom line, then go ahead. Fyi, Luke was supposed to be a 60 year old General, and Han Solo was supposed to be a reptile.... compute that
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Wolfninjajedi
02.29.2012 , 09:44 PM | #8
Shaak Ti a match for Vader? HA! Thats a laugh, she was no match for him and she knew that. The only remote one who was a hope in stopping Vader's onslaught was Cin Drallig, but he got cut down anyway. Here is a list of all the jedi killed by Vader in the temple.


1. Jedi battlemaster Cin Drallig

2. Gatemaster Jurokk

3. Master Jocasta Nu

4. A group of masters(3)

5. The master who protected the holocron

6. A zabrack knight

7. Olana Chion

8. Serra Kato

9. Padawan Bene

10. Padawan Whie

11. Youngling Sors, Jeswi, Shia

There was only 8 masters at the jedi temple, the ones I listed Vader killed them(except Shaak Ti she ran away). The only one Vader didn't kill was Ali-Alann. Without Vader, the 501st would have got stomped into the ground by the jedi masters there.
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lightnn
02.29.2012 , 09:46 PM | #9
The question itself is... questionable.
You can say that its all about the Midichlorian level of the person, and if I remember correctly Lucas has said Luke and Vader have the exact same Midichlorian count.
Lucas will probably never indeed let someone just override how powerful he really is with their stories.

Just before he was just annihilated by Obi-Wan Kenobi he was still ''human'' and could do some cool stuff, in the original 3 movies of course there were none of the wiring and stunts that exist in 3, but I don't think anyone wants to see Vader doing those stunts in his armor

But anyways- if you just put (somehow) Darth Sion versus Darth Vader... Don't know. Epic duel or just Sion leaping to Vader and slashing him in half? Questions we will never get an answer to, sadly.

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Ensquire
02.29.2012 , 11:17 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Shaak Ti a match for Vader? HA! Thats a laugh, she was no match for him and she knew that. The only remote one who was a hope in stopping Vader's onslaught was Cin Drallig, but he got cut down anyway. Here is a list of all the jedi killed by Vader in the temple.


1. Jedi battlemaster Cin Drallig

2. Gatemaster Jurokk

3. Master Jocasta Nu

4. A group of masters(3)

5. The master who protected the holocron

6. A zabrack knight

7. Olana Chion

8. Serra Kato

9. Padawan Bene

10. Padawan Whie

11. Youngling Sors, Jeswi, Shia

There was only 8 masters at the jedi temple, the ones I listed Vader killed them(except Shaak Ti she ran away). The only one Vader didn't kill was Ali-Alann. Without Vader, the 501st would have got stomped into the ground by the jedi masters there.
Sara Kato was the only one out of that list worth mentioning, your list everyone he surpised except The zabrack, and i'll admit a good fight between him Sara(the three knights you refer to were only students) padawans are blaster foder, so out of that group he fought and killed two jedi knight. one on one (cin dralleg doesnt count because his student was being force choked in front of him and he was being distracted)