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IIII-IIII-IIII
02.29.2012 , 09:01 AM | #141
Quote: Originally Posted by RocNessMonster View Post
MMO players, that's an understatement, it's more like this entire generation.
touche.
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Meldwyn
02.29.2012 , 09:02 AM | #142
Quote: Originally Posted by Dayfax View Post
Haha, I know exactly what you mean. I once farmed Dire Maul to get a specific Darkmoon card to drop, and in the end it wasn't so much about getting the trinket but making that effin' ogre give me what I wanted once and for all.

I think it's meaningless in the sense that neither one of us would have engaged these kinds of grinds in a single player game. There's little satisfaction about going through hell if you can't tell anyone about it afterwards.
Point taken!

Gotta love the rare drops that you soooo want cause you found out about it via Wowhead.com or saw it in game.

At one point I was all about having as many pets as possible... after the first grind, I was content with that ONE rare pet!
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Dayfax
02.29.2012 , 09:25 AM | #143
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
But it's not the main reason that people have quit the game, it hasn't destroyed it. WoW still has, as far as we now, around 10 Million subscribers. For a game that's dying, I'm impressed!

LFG tools may hasten the progress of players getting gear, but the lack of LFG tool causes frustration in players being unable to actually do anything, which results in them quitting instead.

All I'm asking for is a single-server LFG tool that you can queue into whilst running dailies or levelling, that pairs you up with people on your own server.

Or even just one big universal LFG channel that people can talk in no matter where they are and organise groups.

That's all I want. I don't want an equivilent to the LFR (which, in my opinion, IS one of the reasons so many people are quitting, but that's an entirely different discussion), I just want a simple LFG tool for doing Flashpoints when there's nobody on in my guild that is my level.
On the whole, I agree with you. I think LFG has nasty side effects, but I also think stranding people on low pop servers will hurt the game in the long run too.

So Blizzard needs to manage pops more effectively, and hopefully come up with a new spin on LFG that will bring most of the benefits and less of the drawbacks.
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Dayfax
02.29.2012 , 09:27 AM | #144
Quote: Originally Posted by Meldwyn View Post
Point taken!

Gotta love the rare drops that you soooo want cause you found out about it via Wowhead.com or saw it in game.

At one point I was all about having as many pets as possible... after the first grind, I was content with that ONE rare pet!
Heh, don't get me started. I've lost hours of my life because I saw something on WowHead and decided my toon had to have it.
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Asroha
02.29.2012 , 09:32 AM | #145
<Wall of text> crits for eleventybillion damage, so I didn't read...

No doubt it's a "I hate the game but I'm still here posting about it" post...

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ThreeDGrunge
02.29.2012 , 09:55 AM | #146
Quote: Originally Posted by Gohlar View Post
Anyone saying lfg is detrimental is either bad or doesn't understand mmos.

Small group content is a stepping stone. It does not make up the whole community. To suggest that it can "destroy" a community shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how these games work.

In reality most of the anti-lfg crowd got yelled at and never got over it. I ran hundreds of randoms in WoW and had a great time. Why? I was good...

Bad players fear LFG like the plague. They need others to feel like they HAVE to keep them in the group. They think it's a good thing that replacing them is more trouble than it's worth because then nobody will want to play with them. God forbid they tried to simply play better or stick with friends, everyone must suffer.

It's ridiculous.
I think you mean people who refuse to run cookie cutter builds, or people who prefer talking to the group do not like cross server lfg.

From my experience with WOW and RIFT, all it did was kill the games and create silent groups of cookie cutters. The fun of the old mmos, was taking chances with a ragtag group and wiping a few times before finally prevailing and getting some nice shiny loot.
Even guilds in mmos have become closer to work than a group of friends helping each other. In the days before crossserver lfg guilds were a close knit group of people willing to help each other, now most guild simply tell new or lower level members to use the lfg tool because they are too busy grinding for their epeen. Yes a few guild are exceptions, however what is the point in grouping up when no one is willing to chat and have some actual fun rather than grinding out another dungeon or quest.

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Vulgarr
02.29.2012 , 10:03 AM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by Gohlar View Post
Anyone saying lfg is detrimental is either bad or doesn't understand mmos.

Small group content is a stepping stone. It does not make up the whole community. To suggest that it can "destroy" a community shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how these games work.

In reality most of the anti-lfg crowd got yelled at and never got over it. I ran hundreds of randoms in WoW and had a great time. Why? I was good...

Bad players fear LFG like the plague. They need others to feel like they HAVE to keep them in the group. They think it's a good thing that replacing them is more trouble than it's worth because then nobody will want to play with them. God forbid they tried to simply play better or stick with friends, everyone must suffer.

It's ridiculous.
this is funny.

no sir.

bad players and those wanting to grief are the ones that embrace this tool because they can be bad/grief without worry of ostracism and be carried like the dead weight they are.

i am against a cross server LFD tool. and i more than likely carried you in our groups in wow if you grouped with me.


once it was implemented in wow it became next to impossible to find a group of people that wanted to run a same server dungeon *unless it was guildies, sometimes. because its easier to click a button and stand around in stormwind/ogrimar than it is to actually risk having to interact with people that you see on a daily basis that might just see how bad you really are.

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Sandtrooper
02.29.2012 , 10:31 AM | #148
Cross server play for the sake of getting groups together would likely be less necessary if each server had reduced instances/shards.

Just sayin'.


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Senatsu
02.29.2012 , 10:59 AM | #149
I have read every post in here, and I'm baffled that people who say they love playing MMOs are apparently not social enough to actually TALK to people to get groups. It doesn't take hours to get a group together, it takes 1 braincell.

Step 1: Open Who tab.
Step 2: Click LFG DPS/Tank/Healer (w/e) and the name of the FP you want to run.
Step 3: Send out "DPS/Tank/Healer LFG for X HM"
Step 4: Go back to Who.
Step 5: Find level 50s in your area.
Step 6: Send out a whisper: "Hey. I was wondering if you wanted to come for X HM?"

It also helps to throw in a question about what specc they are.
Using this simple SOCIAL method I get groups within 2-3 minutes. In peak hours it takes me less than 1 minute. In dead hours it takes me maybe up to 10 minutes.

Using WoW's LFD I use 10 minutes in peak time and 40+ minutes in dead times (the game doesn't even give me a time estimate during dead hours because there aren't anyone).
If you haven't tried this incredibly simple, effortless thing to get a group, you have no right to ***** about it taking too long. It will take even longer with a WoW-type LFD system.

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chaosdefined
02.29.2012 , 11:02 AM | #150
Not every player is happy about being constantly whispered by random others asking "Hey wanna come do this Flashpoint?"
Plus, how is that any different from sitting and spamming the General channel in fleet?