1.1.5 Just got Updated.

40 wz coms cap per match is kind of a gimp if the cost of the bags aren't lowered in price...I already get over twice that amount per game right now.

It doesn't make the game a success. For all you know, they don't want to play WoW and there's nothing else to do til other -NON WOW CLONE- MMOs come out this year. Just look at the track record of WoW clones. They fail, regardless of whether or not some people like them.

Prove that they are not.

Neither of you can do either. The test is unfathomably huge and the sample size contains each and every player, a study of their habits and tastes, their time online, how much of it they use playing Swtor, whether they do so merely out of obligation or because they wanted nothing more than to log in, the number of characters they possess, the size of the fraction of their free time that they spend playing the game, whether they play as part of a pre-game community, a post-game community, whether they are friends or merely acquaintances with the people they meet and solve challenges with ingame, whether they are obsessive completists, if they only play for the single player elements, if they only play for pve or pvp but are coerced into doing one or the other by game design or peer pressure, whether they regret their choice of main, whether they are put into a role they didn't choose for themselves by Operation make-up...

and so it goes.

Definitive results are nigh impossible to achieve and entirely subject to the whim of the moment, as opinions and feelings change just that quickly.

Ergo, the two of you are engaging in a theoretical argument with no basis in fact.

You are attempting to win, he is merely attempting to educate.

Neither of you can win, but one of you might still succeed.

The concept of a -game- succeeding is always a strange one to me. A game exists, it is bought, enjoyed or not, and eventually discarded. The entertainment is in the playing, and once playing is no longer entertaining the player generally moves on.

Rift succeeded in introducing a huge number of developed concepts and choices, it presented a petri dish for developers the world over. Economically, it may not have thrived, but its contribution to the gaming world will be felt for many years to come.

If you only want to play an economically successful game, then I'm not entirely sure what it is you enjoy about games- unless it is the brand culture infiltrating its way into gaming.

Is WoW Dolce & Gabbana? Is Rift Alexander McQueen?

Well, they made a game that people enjoy playing; I would consider that a success.

They made games that not only made back their development costs, but have enough subscribers to continue making their game; I would consider that a success financially. Edit: I guess I shouldn't include Rift in this part yet, lol.

If you mean "successful" as in "have more subscriptions than WoW", then I suppose you're correct, they did not "kill" WoW.

You just said that people have fun playing those games, and now you're saying that for all I know, they just don't want to play WoW... which is it?

Look here, Negative Nancy, I get that misery loves company, but you're just going to have to accept the fact that you cannot project your opinion onto the masses and try to pass it off as a reality.

Heck, I just got 89 comms...from a loss. 9 medals. Imagine if that was a win?

With the upcoming changes, that would have been a what? 139 comm-earning loss?

For craps and grins, let's say I win more than I lose...which I typically do. Under new system I will probably get what? 200 comms from a win? If I spend a Saturday playing all day, I can easily do 40 warzones...and I have, as I did this past weekend. That will have been a 3 BM token day, just from comms alone.

Again. Overreact much, folks?

As a matter of fact, I have. WAR was not even close to being the epitome of siege PVP. Lineage 2 was, though not in your list.

And I said -I- didn't need a prize for which to grind. Difference.

I also read his posts.

I didn't actually make any generalizations.

I said that all MMOs launched within the past 5 years have had their subscription numbers drop a month or two after launch.

I also said that forum-goers are the minority when it comes to a MMO's population.

Neither of these statements are my opinion. <.<

Don't think that is correct. Currently you get 50 valor and 5 comms for every medal, so you got 45 extra comms, after this patch, from what i read, 40 is the max. I get 9-12 medals per game now, so I will probably lose some bonus comms each match, but the valor is crazy. I get 1100-1500 valor in a wz now, i am guaranteed 2000 extra for having at least 4 medals.

the argument is people keep saying your going out of your way to farm over 4.

i don't understand how someone can be so horrible to only obtain 4 metals in this game when its so easy to do damage heal guard or just get a kill depending on your class....

"No generally if you are playing well and doing your job you will have over 10 you don't go out of your way to guard someone for 10k you protect them so they live you don't ruin your teams chances of winning by healing all your weakened teammates and killing some people You dont handicap your team by playing the objective and gaining defender and offensive metals and no you don't handicap your TEAM BY KILLING PEOPLE AND DOING DAMAGE YOUR NOT FARMING ITS CALLED HAVING A BRAIN

if someone has 4 metals at the end of a warzone they are useless and did nothing for the team all they did was one very lazy role. "


THERE IS NO METAL FARMING YOU GET METALS BY PLAYING THE OBJECTIVE.

Ok ill stop guarding people i don't want to get hurt and die! ill just do damage i know im a tank but thats the point?

Oh no i wont heal him my damage metals are easy to get!

Nope not going to 1v1 that guy sure it could be fun i could win but nope ill go run away.

Cap that point? Why i already have 4 metals offensive and defensive metals are lame anyway.

if you manage 4 metals a game i hope your kicked for inactivity.



please explain to me how you only manage 4 medals a game please.

you all say "hurrdurr now u can play dah objectiv!"

clearly you all don't play the objective because you can obtain objective medals and if your not killing someone doing damage healing or at least guarding someone what the heck are you doing? The objective? yeah go solo and carry the game for us in a 50 bracket that always works.


No we arnt farming your just horrible at this game if you only get 6 at minimum that shows you honestly tried to help your team.

not just did the very least.


all i have about this topic iv wrote people cannot comprehend trying on a warzone i suppose.

I average 9 medals a game when I pure dps or hybrid dps/heal.

I average 4 medals when I'm in a pure heal spec.

At all times I attempt to complete the objectives by whatever means are available to me.

But sure, that's hurr durring.