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1.1.5 Just got Updated.

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nschlan
02.28.2012 , 08:32 PM | #361
Quote: Originally Posted by Nero View Post
A change in the right direction. But not enough to make me resubscribe. They still need to make a working Open PvP enviroment. First order is to fix their engine lag when we have so many people closer.

And I won't miss Ilum... good riddance! May the Deathstar put an end to its misery.
They need to make a cutscene of the Death Start just blowing it up.

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bklynfinest
02.28.2012 , 08:35 PM | #362
Quote: Originally Posted by Nangasaur View Post
It's really not.

You can do that many in a day. And with new changes, it appears you'll get more comms even faster.

You're overreacting.
How many coms are you estimating for a "decent" game now? Because at the old rate that's 40 games a day which certainly isn't doable

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Prplppleatr
02.28.2012 , 08:36 PM | #363
Bioware, honestly, what are you thinking?

I can tell you the consequences of this:

1. Many players will now stop caring after 4 medals.

2. Objectives and winning will become less of a priority. People will, at least, receive 2k valor and 40 commendations (assuming they can get 4 medals). Also, medals are based on pure numbers (X amount of dmg, healing, prot, etc) and are not tied in with the objectives (except defense)...if only they had an objective score they could tie things in with...oh wait, they do....

3. PvP in WZ's and Ilum will likely die down as more pvp players get discouraged with players who try less or stop trying and simply move once-a-minute so they don't afk.

I am losing faith..
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Varicite
02.28.2012 , 08:40 PM | #364
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan View Post
And yet earlier you were making generalizations and telling us we're all wrong and that most people find the game fun.
Okay, work with me here.

Based upon the information that you were just given about how forum-goers are the minority opinion, let's take a look at what was actually said, shall we?


Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan View Post
Poorly designed game is poorly designed. Just because a few carebears like it doesn't make it a qulaity game (as show by the fact that I feel like I'm playing a crappier version of WoW, which in itself is has become awful)

It's fun to many but it's not fun to many more.

Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post

Actually, you have this backward.

It's not fun to many, but it's fun to many, many, many more who aren't here in the forums whining about positive changes for the game.
Now, since it's already been established that we are the minority when it comes to people who play SWTOR, it becomes clear that the majority of players are not here crying out about the changes.

What are they doing with their time instead of visiting the forums? Well, among other things, they are playing the game and not complaining on the forums. Why would they play this game and not complain on the forums about it?

Logic decrees that at least a good portion of those players are not complaining on the forums about it because they are actually having fun playing the game.

I know it may be hard to fathom for you, who is not enjoying the game, but most people still playing it actually do enjoy doing so.
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Locusani
02.28.2012 , 08:44 PM | #365
He can make any generalisation he likes. It's his opinion. The difference is, he uses his as aids to explain his point, you hold yours as fact.

There are probably more people still playing than originally subbed. My server's certainly bustling, I haven't noticed fewer since the free time ended.

Personally, I enjoy the game. I intend to continue with it.

I find the pvp to be interesting and challenging in and of itself, without any "prize" to "grind" towards. Huttball, for example, never ceases to be hilarious.

And Voidstar has come as close to perfecting the siege model of a pvp match as I've seen. A fierce, and unrelenting assault, the adamant defense. Then the running battles, forcing the invaders to limp to the next set of doors. Flinging people from platforms to spin hopelessly to their doom. And that final room, where the defenders know it's over, their doom is with them, but if they can just keep fighting, just hold out that little longer then maybe, just maybe they can win this in the counter-siege.

If you want to complain then complain as yourself, not on behalf of others who frankly couldn't give a damn and probably wouldn't know if you took another breath.
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nschlan
02.28.2012 , 08:46 PM | #366
Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post
Okay, work with me here.

Based upon the information that you were just given about how forum-goers are the minority opinion, let's take a look at what was actually said, shall we?







Now, since it's already been established that we are the minority when it comes to people who play SWTOR, it becomes clear that the majority of players are not here crying out about the changes.

What are they doing with their time instead of visiting the forums? Well, among other things, they are playing the game and not complaining on the forums. Why would they play this game and not complain on the forums about it?

Logic decrees that at least a good portion of those players are not complaining on the forums about it because they are actually having fun playing the game.

I know it may be hard to fathom for you, who is not enjoying the game, but most people still playing it actually do enjoy doing so.

All it means people aren't on the forums. Prove all those people are in game and that they're enjoying the game and not just grinding raids/WZs/Ilum/Leveling/Dailies. Playing doesn't mean you're having fun. Some people are having fun, but people have fun with Aion, Rift and WAR. Doesn't make those games successes

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nschlan
02.28.2012 , 08:51 PM | #367
Quote: Originally Posted by Locusani View Post
He can make any generalisation he likes. It's his opinion. The difference is, he uses his as aids to explain his point, you hold yours as fact.

There are probably more people still playing than originally subbed. My server's certainly bustling, I haven't noticed fewer since the free time ended.

Personally, I enjoy the game. I intend to continue with it.

I find the pvp to be interesting and challenging in and of itself, without any "prize" to "grind" towards. Huttball, for example, never ceases to be hilarious.

And Voidstar has come as close to perfecting the siege model of a pvp match as I've seen. A fierce, and unrelenting assault, the adamant defense. Then the running battles, forcing the invaders to limp to the next set of doors. Flinging people from platforms to spin hopelessly to their doom. And that final room, where the defenders know it's over, their doom is with them, but if they can just keep fighting, just hold out that little longer then maybe, just maybe they can win this in the counter-siege.

If you want to complain then complain as yourself, not on behalf of others who frankly couldn't give a damn and probably wouldn't know if you took another breath.
There was a whole thread yesterday showing, with data, that subs are declining. Also, Voidstar is the epitome of siege PvP? Really? Ever hear of WAR, or DAoC? No prize? They make it so you have to grind for the best gear. There's definitely stuff to grind for

Also, if you actually read his posts, he held his generalizations as fact.

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Varicite
02.28.2012 , 08:51 PM | #368
Quote: Originally Posted by nschlan View Post
All it means people aren't on the forums. Prove all those people are in game and that they're enjoying the game and not just grinding raids/WZs/Ilum/Leveling/Dailies. Playing doesn't mean you're having fun. Some people are having fun, but people have fun with Aion, Rift and WAR. Doesn't make those games successes
Actually, that's exactly what makes a game a success, imo.

If I were not having fun playing a game, then I would seriously rethink how I'm spending my time.

Conversely, just because I don't enjoy something doesn't mean that everyone doesn't enjoy it.
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Strap your digital dog to your digital roof and take your ideologies, lovely wife, and sweet little 8yr old girl to a PVE server where you fit best.

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NoSmokin
02.28.2012 , 08:52 PM | #369
Does this change the amount we get for mvp votes too or not?
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Varicite
02.28.2012 , 08:54 PM | #370
Quote: Originally Posted by NoSmokin View Post
Does this change the amount we get for mvp votes too or not?
Good question, I was wondering about this myself.
Quote: Originally Posted by JayPres View Post
Strap your digital dog to your digital roof and take your ideologies, lovely wife, and sweet little 8yr old girl to a PVE server where you fit best.