The thought that WoW has more endgame content

Thought #1 WoW has more raid content

False - Ever since BC WoW has implemented 2 instances in the first raid tier of an expansion. We are seeing, so far, the same model in TOR. Cataclysm was the exception to this in WoW but the raids easily were considered one raid as clearing both BOT/BWL in one night was common place.

Thought #2 TOR raids are too easy vs. WoW

False and LOL @ Cataclysm and Wrath. WoW raids haven't been difficult since BC and the 2nd and 3rd tiers of the past 2 expansions, even on HM, difficulty has been laughable. The first tier in Cataclysm was easy before everyone complained of its difficulty and subsequently got nerfed. Although the difficulty in TOR isn't very high WoW is not any more difficult.

Thought #3 There is nothing to do in TOR at endgame vs. WoW

And what is there to do in WoW? Farm dailies, grind dungeons, raid, farm achievements. Looks pretty similar to the TOR endgame to me. No, TOR doesn't have as many dailies but we're really splitting hairs here. There are no achievements in TOR as of yet but if you are farming achievements you must be pretty bored with a game to do so. MMO's have a grind to get gear at endgame and TOR hasn't changed anything up.

Thought #4 TOR is more aimed at casuals than WoW

Really? LFR is all that needs to be said on that. There is nothing wrong with being a casual, some people realize life is more important than a video game but you can't say WoW isn't aimed at a casual market. In this day and age all MMO's are going to be catering to a casual audience, that is how the market has changed and this is how developer's are going to adapt to stay afloat int he marketplace.

I was not a shot at saying TOR is better than WoW, everyone has their own opinion. These are just some facts that I wanted to throw out there that really in some circumstance these games are pretty even leveled.

six year vet of WoW?

something kept you interested for six years and you trash it?

Yes, cataclysm and the direction they took with it made me really dislike the game. WotLk was WoWs golden age, both in story and in execution. Uldar had to be the best designed raid instance I have ever gotten to play to date.

If it was still like that I would probably still be playing it, but now its all LFR tards and waiting on pandas to fix everything.

When stuff is on farm clearing in one night is common, sure. First run at it? Yeah no.

One also has to consider the variety. Cata's opening bosses felt far more varied because they both took more time to learn and were more unique in terms of mechanics/gameplay.



Another clueless person who thinks watching a video of normal modes is the same as clearing hard modes. Did you realize the people with an actual clue about this have said heroic Ragnaros was the hardest fight WoW has ever seen? But hey, some random dude on the internet said it was easy so it must be true, after all he has probably seen a video of it and thought it looked pretty easy.

The only challenging part of SW:TOR operations is the bugs, not the encounters. If the encounters were challenging and gear took a while to acquire, you'd see a whole lot less complaining about no end game.



SW:TOR screwed up the gear grind by giving it all away. Also if someone actually enjoys going for achievements (and there's plenty who do), it sounds like a pretty good thing to add. You give people a little pop up and some points that don't really do anything and they'll enjoy your game for a longer period of time. It's a win-win, even if some people don't care about it.



WoW manages to adequately appeal to both. Heroics are for the hardcores, LFR and normal mode for more casual people. SW:TOR holds little hardcore appeal because any hardcore raid cleared nightmare within days (if not first day) of starting it.



Your "facts" have a distinct lack of actual factual information in them and seem to have a large amount of personal opinions intended to criticize WoW for supposedly becoming too easy.

Uldar sucked, yo.

Gimme that BWL, or Kara.


(IMO)

This sounds like someone trying to justify his quitting then anything that holds any salt. The raids are more difficult in Cataclysm, so how is it easy mode and what on earth does people using LFR and pands have anything to do with your gameplay? Serious raiders still play WoW and log onto SWTOR to play around a bit.

WotLk was WoWs golden age, both in story and in execution.

You've said some crazy things before, but this takes the cake.

While Ulduar was great, it was also quickly nerfed to hell and made irrelevant by gear resets and the early release of Trial of the Crusader, which was the shallowest and worst raid Blizz ever implemented.

I get the feeling you were a Wrath Baby. Six years? Nah, dude, admit it. It was 3, and you quit Cata because Deadmines trash was too hard for you.

Nobody who played any part of Vanilla or BC ever has good things to say about Wrath.

If you loved Ulduar, then you should be screaming to high heaven that SWTOR content does not, afaik, have 1/10th the complexity of any of those encounters.