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The thought that WoW has more endgame content

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Raeln
03.02.2012 , 08:59 AM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by iceperson View Post
well, BWL wasn't in wow at release. The first tier of raid content for every wow expansion has been just as easy as the first tier in swtor though.
Negative.

That didn't start happening until Wrath. Previous to Wrath, it was bumpy to get started in raiding. MC required far too much fire resist gear. Getting geared enough to attempt Karazhan in BC was a pain and the leap from Karazhan (10man) to the 25man platform was uncomfortable for a lot of guilds.

Raiding was far less popular in WoW before Wrath, for obvious reasons. What a lot of people want to forget is how many players were nudged away from PvE and to PvP during the Burning Crusade expansion. I remember quite a number of threads on those forums in those days about how "PvP stole mah raiders."

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Gohlar
03.02.2012 , 09:00 AM | #212
Quote: Originally Posted by Raeln View Post
Negative.

That didn't start happening until Wrath. Previous to Wrath, it was bumpy to get started in raiding. MC required far too much fire resist gear. Getting geared enough to attempt Karazhan in BC was a pain and the leap from Karazhan (10man) to the 25man platform was uncomfortable for a lot of guilds.

Raiding was far less popular in WoW before Wrath, for obvious reasons. What a lot of people want to forget is how many players were nudged away from PvE and to PvP during the Burning Crusade expansion. I remember quite a number of threads on those forums in those days about how "PvP stole mah raiders."
Exactly. They actually had to lower the bar to get into raiding because it was too difficult.

Even in wrath there was difficult content, although you had to go much farther to reach it.

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LaVolpex
03.02.2012 , 09:01 AM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by muzzle_flash View Post
While I hate the bloated blizzard monster pig as much the the next guy, to suggest that swtor has even a fraction of its content is laughable, no matter how you look at it. With 3 years of dev love swtor still couldnt match that behemoth for content...

tor has a "fraction" of content compared to wow , yes...

but given that at any time there is only ONE OR TWO current raids ( since anything pre cata doesnt really get you anything except some lulz with friends ) and aobut 6 or 7 current instances...

outland/northrend dont really count since all you use them for now is as a leveling zone, NO ONE does ulduar anymore, NO ONE does old instances anymore , when was the last time you saw Mag? ony? when was the last time you did ICC and actually got something out of it?

so say that wow has more "Current" content than Tor is a fallacy and completely innacurate , since neither you nor anyone @ level cap has any reason whatsoever to do anything thats pre cata

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Raeln
03.02.2012 , 09:02 AM | #214
Quote: Originally Posted by iceperson View Post
yeah, that was a typo, you caught it before it was fixed. I cleared Naxx 40 during vanilla and was there for realm firsts for every boss from lucifron to KT, so i'm pretty familiar with raiding in wow. again, the first tier raid content for every wow expansion was a cakewalk, no different than swtor.
MC was a cakewalk if you did it while wearing BC gear. If you did it in level appropriate dungeon gear, it was very difficult. Especially if you tried to do it before Decursive was written to assist with the multitude of debuffs.

Oh and as Horde, it was much easier in BC after paladins came to the Horde. MC was a pain, Horde-side without paladins. Doable, but more difficult than Alliance.

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iceperson
03.02.2012 , 09:02 AM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by Gohlar View Post
Yep pugs were clearing it the 1st night just like SWTOR.



This makes no sense so I don't know what to say...
at this time after BC was all tier 1 raid content cleared? yes
at this time after Wrath was all tier 1 raid content cleared? yes
at this time after cata was all tier 1 raid content cleared? yes

let's stop talking about vanilla wow and talk about the current iterations of the game? are you even aware that there are no 40 man raids anymore? if the final tier of swtor raid content before the first expansion is easier than dragon soul then we can talk.

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iceperson
03.02.2012 , 09:04 AM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by Raeln View Post
MC was a cakewalk if you did it while wearing BC gear.
MC wasn't part of an expansion. Seriously, guys. Vanilla wow is dead. It was fun while it lasted, but it's gone.

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Gohlar
03.02.2012 , 09:06 AM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by iceperson View Post
at this time after BC was all tier 1 raid content cleared? yes
at this time after Wrath was all tier 1 raid content cleared? yes
at this time after cata was all raid tier 1 content cleared? yes

let's stop talking about vanilla wow and talk about the current iterations of the game? are you even aware that there are no 40 man raids anymore? if the final tier of raid content before the first expansion is easier than wow then we can talk.
Yes I am aware, it still blows the pants off this excuse for an endgame.

I don't know if you got carried or what but comparing the difficulties is laughable.

Quote: Originally Posted by iceperson View Post
MC wasn't part of an expansion. Seriously, guys. Vanilla wow is dead. It was fun while it lasted, but it's gone.
He was making the point that nobody who knew what they were talking about would say BWL was really easy on release. He is correct. Even MC was tough if you hit it when it was new, which you clearly didn't.

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iceperson
03.02.2012 , 09:10 AM | #218
Quote: Originally Posted by Gohlar View Post
Yes I am aware, it still blows the pants off this excuse for an endgame.

I don't know if you got carried or what but comparing the difficulties is laughable.
That you saw any difficulty in the first tier raids of BC, Wrath, or Cata is kind of laughable. Fighting over which faceroll content is easier is just a bit silly.

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Gohlar
03.02.2012 , 09:11 AM | #219
Quote: Originally Posted by iceperson View Post
That you saw any difficulty in the first tier raids of BC, Wrath, or Cata is kind of laughable. Fighting over which faceroll content is easier is just a bit silly.
Spoken like a noob. You clearly weren't around when things were new.

Oh well. I never said the 1st tier of those expansions was that hard btw, that's all you, but they are light years ahead of the garbage here, no question.

I bet you haven't completed BC, Wrath or Cata. You already lied about having world 1sts so I really can't trust you anyways.

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Meldwyn
03.02.2012 , 09:15 AM | #220
Listening to old WoW players talk about their recollection of how things were reminds me of the "DP bench" in any small town.

LOL
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