WOW really made me appreciate SWTOR

No argument.

I'd like to add WOW's customer support blows away SWTOR's. Thats the one thing I was truly impressed with.

Oh wait are you serious , SWTOR has more mature people then kids in this game .
Atleast most people I ran into on the US and EU server are the more mature type.

So you saying WoW raised the bar of what ? wow used the battlenet fans to get that high bar.
Wow didn´t raise the bar , it lowered the bar to casual level , and it will be lowered again in the next expansion to the next generation of gamers .
So if raising bar is lowering the standards to the general audience .
Then you know what you are paying for . farmville raised to what heights ?
75 million users ?

You say this game will retain small casuals and childeren , then fine so be it your prediction .
But sadly most people who I ran into are the mature type , selfishe still but mature about it .
While what in WoW they are selfishe and hypocritical . expecting everybody to work for them for free , as long they don´t have to lift a finger .

Sorry the problem is you , if you hit 50 and you didn´t made enough friends ..
And you don´t enjoy the grind or are able to socialise ..
Well basically nothing left to do , it was fun but move on .
WoW will be the same soon for new people hitting the cap , enough holes in raid roster there nowadays .
Why should the casual turn hardcore in WoW ? they only have to see the endgame content once , they are satisfied .

Agreed, absolutely. I still miss Blizzard North.

Odd that that's the part you picked up from what I've wrote in that post.

Ofcourse it's an argument. They had tons of ages to perfect their game. And it shows. I agree it's not an argument to justify the current status of SWTOR, which is not that good imo. MMO's that come out these days should either be equal or slightly less in quality then WoW.


Pokemon and Kung Fu Panda is your argument for saying WoW's targetgroup is children? Come on, be serious. The next expansion choises Blizzard made make sence and have always fit into the lore. Yes, it might be aimed for a younger group of players (read: wider range), which is indeed a shame because the actual kids playing could sometimes ruin gameplay.

WoW is FAR less linear then SWTOR. You have a certain lose path you follow, but it's so easy to derail from it, or do something else all together.

For the rest I agree with you. But they make sence if you look at the way WoW has grown. Players were bound to notice changes when leveling through old zones with all the changes WoW has gone through.

You didn't even read what I wrote.

And you absolutely didn't run out of quests to do; you (yes you, personally) just couldn't be bothered to find them without the as-yet-uninvented AQT.

I barely touched Felwood on my first 60, and wouldn't have known about Winterspring if it wasn't a hunter and I wasn't interested in getting a white cat pet.

I've played a few MMO's including WoW. Comparing the content of a 7 year old game, with that of a game that's been out roughly 2 months is ridiculous. Does SWTOR have enough end-game? No. It's two months old. Beyond that fact though, is that players will *always* out-play content it takes months to prepare. So out come 5 more levels, a couple dungeons, a raid - and that day some players are already at the new level cap, have dungeons on farm, and take their tried-and-true fellow raiders *but no one else* into the one new raid. A week later they have all the latest uber gear and then they sit around in trade chat trolling or complaining they have nothing to do and the end-game sucks.

Players will always outstrip content unless devs make the game a deliberate grind like so many Asian MMOs do, and frankly I'll /wrists before I ever play another Korean MMO..

SWTOR has its flaws - like WoW, TOR is too easy to level. Gear drops too frequently, crafting needs work, the game still has bugs that were found on release, PvP needs some work, and yes, there needs to be more end-game content. But I'm willing to give them time to create it. I'm willing to do the things in the game I can do - whether that's craft, look for datacrons, fill out world maps, do flashpoints/hms/ops, or just sit around at Carrick station waiting for my guild's lone tank to log in so I can go blow things up in spectacular fashion. It's a game, folks. Not your job. Relax. Enjoy the ride, and if you don't - just leave. Those of us who want to stay will stay, those who don't have already left and don't care.

i did my homework.

C'mon, when WOW has there TV commercials for MoP, do you really think all the 5-10 year olds aren't going to be thinking Kung Fu Panda and will recall the lore from WC3?

I'll laugh if they cast Jack Black for the Commercial.


ps...............Pandaren were an April Fools Joke originally.

Doing your homework on this subject requires actually playing multiple games endgames. You played only 1 to endgame without even knowing what you should be expecting. This game has plenty of endgame though alot of people will argue that. Theres pvp, even though it seems unfinished, they are working on it. There's more story and quests, though not much, again they are working on it. There's flashpoints and ops in three different modes, though not many, again they are working on it. In time there will be more and more, after that, guess what, they will still be making more and more.

Problem is, people came off the WoW bandwagon, myself included, looking for more content out of a game thats been live 2 weeks than a game thats had 7 years. (and i say 2 weeks, cause thats all it took till these threads started flowing in like 100 a day)


Also, had you done your homework, you'd know there's already plenty of these threads going around. Spotlight hog.

I'm not a SWTOR fan in any way (having hardly played enough of it to make a decision either way), but how soon everyone forgets that at launch WoW had exactly ZERO endgame. BRD hardly constitutes endgame. It took years for them to introduce the content that is there now. People were complaining about the same thing back then as you are now, except they were making comparisons to EverQuest. Ironic, no?