WOW really made me appreciate SWTOR

I think the problem with SWTOR is that for a game that revolves around being at war, it does a lousy job at putting you in constant conflict with the other side. Even if your on a PvP server it feels more like a ganking contest than any kind of real conflict. Ilum is a perfect example of a lousy conflict, it's flashy, you got empty walkers who can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn. Instead of fighting for the very control of the planet, what are you doing? Collecting Armaments that will NEVER be used just to complete a mission. Fun.

Every planet does it's best to keep the other side from crossing your territory as much as possible. Rarley do missions ever cross over to the other side. It does'nt encourage conflict, to me it trys to hold your hand in hopes that you don't ever have to fight a player in anything other than wz's. I like wz's but I want to feel like im fighting for something real important. I want to feel like I have something to lose if I don't fight. This to me would have been endgame bliss.

Now I know we are talking specifically about endgame content but to me, this type of endgame content is at the end of every MMO i've played so far. I want to feel like im really at war and not just pretending we are. That's what would make me keep my subscription in the near future.

yap, it is good for houseboys can always have fun with same nerd,
whom have no day jobs,play hardcodes,
maybe old EQ raids will suit them.

That's why there are different difficulty levels. You do not HAVE to do heroic raids. If you're super casual, you can use the LFR. If you're a casual guild, you can do normal modes. If you like a challenge and want to play with others who do, too, you can join a heroic guild. Or none of those! That's what's great about a good MMO...there's a lot of different things to do. It doesn't have to be all things to all people, but it does have to be SOMETHING to EACH person.

I really don't think you've done heroic progression raiding at any decent level in WoW recently, or you would know that it is completely about skill, situational awareness, communication and coordination. It is NOT about banging your head into the encounter hundreds of times until it dies.

I killed heroic Ragnaros pre-2nd-nerf, and I will say that one was too much. Took 300 attempts. But NOTHING else ever took near that much. Everything else was less than 40. And it was about learning the encounter, refining strategies, being aware, and not dying.

In SWTOR there is no hardmode. You have Incredibly Easy, Very Easy, and still Really Easy. Personally, I like hardmode raiding, so that's what I do. But that doesn't exist in this game. Keep normal and hardmode the same, that's fine....just turn the knob way up on NMM with new, advanced mechanics.

Ultimately that's the problem with this game. There's only one way to play: level alts. An MMO's player base is diverse, with altoholics, RPers, raiders, pvpers, and levels of interest from casual to hardcore, but there aren't game systems there to satisfy the different play styles.

Raider? Lol, you've finished everything 2 weeks after hitting 50.

PvPer? Enjoy the same 3 warzones, Ilum slideshow, and RNG bag rage.

RPer? Good luck RPing Han and Greedo when the game won't let you sit in a chair.

Crafter? Stand in fleet. Click button. Wait 45 minutes. Crit? No. Try again.

Alt leveler? Enjoy the same planets in the same order with the same "kill x Space Wolves, collect Y Space Boar Spleens" quests for another 50 levels.

Completionist/Achievement-hound? Spend an afternoon getting datacrons. Done.

dude, lets say it, you never actually did anything else prenerf apart from that raggy kill? this is so obviously stupid what you say, or just not true.

you can do "40 tries for a boss" only after it was nerfed to the ground. even normal modes, when just released, takes more then that if taken seriously. Hardmodes are much worse. I really want to know how many tries it took for you on Ouro or CTun himself. 40? ok

Okay, that's true, C'Thun was awful. Mainly just because of the run back. Hell, it might have only taken 40 attempts...but spread out over 2 months because You could only do like 4 in a night anyway lol.

When I said "everything else was less than 40" I was really only thinking of Firelands. It took us 2 weeks (after HM's opened) to be 6/7HM.

OP didn't play WoW in it's golden days.

And since you played TOR first you are used to have everything fully speeched and everyone holding your hand until max level telling you EXACTLY what to do and where to go.

WoW is boring and with the upcoming Pandas even getting stupid, but it still beats this game any day.

The decisions you make have zero effect on your character. The whole light/dark choices are a bit of fluff that just allow you to wear certain gear. I think you'll find 'Your Story' is pretty much what hundreds of thousands of other people experience. Now, if they added meaningful choices that did affect your character development and the story outcome that would be something.

Not everyone plays to raid for more loot to raid for more loot to raid for more loot to raid....

True for some classes, but not for all.

I know. I don't raid for loot, I raid for fun. There's nothing remotely challenging in SWTORs raid, and I'm pretty sure that the people who downed stuff in Naxx40, SWP, even HM Ulduar pre-nerf will agree. I'm already done with SWTOR, sub cancelled, most of my friends quit as well....just spending some time here until I can play Tera again.

Enjoy your pretty voice acting and keep telling yourself that it's worth to pay a sub for a single-player game. Bobz out.