This game lacks epeen

Haha, but really... it's not asking for much is it? SWTOR's lack of epic quest-chain lead-ups to the end-game raids already contributes to this 'lack of epeen'. I guess what I'm trying to say is that for much of the entire game you don't feel like you're progressing on something epic as a server because it's probably assumed people have already beaten the nightmare mode on everything.

So it would just be nice if for once it felt like we were doing something as a server, or even as a faction; Ilum is a strong contender for this, but it's only for a fleeting moment compared with the time you'll be spending in the game - it would be better if there was something that a player/faction/server could do that would provide entertainment for a longer period of time, perhaps over several weeks/months.

hope i'm making sense here.

Whats fresh is that it makes people hungry not for the next piece of gear but for the next twist of the story. Whats fresh is that the game gives access of seeing / beating every boss in the game, to all players - not just a fraction of them who "play better"/"are more focused"/"spend enormous amount of time in the game".

Gear progression is good, story progression is even better. I ve played countless games that focus on gear progression, this is the first MMO that focuses on story. If this was just one more case of space looking-wow/eq/etc, then it would be lost in the abundance of similar games with only difference the better/worse gfx (according to personal preference) or better/worse boss mechanics (same as previous).

Whats fresh is that it makes people hungry not for the next piece of gear but for the next twist of the story. Whats fresh is that the game gives access of seeing / beating every boss in the game, to all players - not just a fraction of them who "play better"/"are more focused"/"spend enormous amount of time in the game".

If you want gear show off in a "medieval" (kind of) world try WoW, if you want gear show off in space try GW, if you want pvp in space try EvE, if you want story progression stay here, relax and have fun with the awesome book/movie picture that Bioware has prepared for us.

When you live in a gray world, the new approach isnt a different scale of gray but something colorful (yellow/blue/red). When all MMO's are gear driven (gray), the new isnt one more of that kind...

Whats the point in Hard Mode/Nightmare Mode then?

If you want to experience a cinematic story experience....watch a movie.

And you know, its not the games fault if you "can't play better" or get "more focused" or "manage your time better".

P.S. On that last point...its doesn't take super amounts of time to play this game (because is so freaking easy). EV normal can be done in just over 30 minutes.

a) Reversing your point - if you want to ply a competitive space MMO try EvE.
b) Its puzzling how people know my game skills without even seen me play..
c) And yes, it doesnt take super amounts of time because its easy - if they do it difficult, it would require - been there, done that*.
Hell, I m happy that I finally play something for 2-3h/day & feel that I can catch up with the community.

*We had 2 sets of tanks/healers being run (by other out-of-raid guild members) tribute runs in vanilla to get the buff & then summoned straight to AQ just for C'Thun tries. We had to run countless AQ runs (with random loot drops that most of the times was useless) to equip 60%+ of the raid because Patchwerk was an equipment check - if you didnt had it you couldnt kill it no matter what your skill. The amount of time needed to farm pots/mats/flasks just to raid was beyond any imagination. I used to be online 16+hours, 8 of them farming & 8 of them clearing a trivial raid for the rare chance of a useful (but so much needed drop) or progressing a boss fight - without complete guides, just hints from other top of the notch guilds, without boss abilities/mechanics. No more.-

To RadibPopcorn
I agree that you cant affect major parts of the story. E.g if someone chooses to do A & another B, they will have to do a different quest but the next step is common for both. I understand that they couldnt implement such a big diversity of quest lines - the "quest tree path" would be humongous. But thats what I think its missing (not total quest freedom, its impossible to deploy something like that) but a bit more in that direction. What it doesnt need is a change into another lootwh0ring fest with more & shinier armor pieces.

This game lacks progression based third party websites basically =) give it time. Rome wasnt built in a day.

I agree with some of what you said..but for different reasons^^ You focus more on recognition for players that want truly Hardcore progression and competition. At the moment its non existent for sure. In both PvE and PvP.

Id say its also true for the social community aswell,theres a serious lack of youtube videos,machinima and general social "vibe". Though you can see the seeds of such things on the fan art sections of these forums already^^ Give it time.

Personally ive been playing MMO's for years,my first one being the original Ultima Online..and im not one for jumping into the Casual vs Hardcore debate.

I personally believe that MMO's need both communities to survive. As said,i agree with you to a certain extent =) But i would also ask that you stick around for a time and give this game some loyalty..stick through the rough times.

Bioware arent blind,deaf and dumb. If you feel so passionately about this game lacking epeen then stick the **** around and keep agitating instead of quitting and going back to the MMO that gives you the pleasure you want.

Thats boring.

I hate saying it again but Rome wasnt built in a day. This is a new MMO and Bioware are new to MMO's aswell...this is time for the community to come together and build up *our* game. And i mean that in loyal gamer sort of way...not the self entitled "i paid money for this game,so its MINE! and everything Bioware does should be to MY personal specifications!" kind of way lol =)

Basically..if you are hardcore player dude,you want competition..i understand that..this game doesnt offer the epeen measuring at the moment...but gosh darn,stick with it none the less. Give it time to grow and be a part of that.

One patch at a time. Maybe next year an expansion? in the meantime,the community grows and evolves,as does this game. The longer people stick with it.

PS "Gosh darn" wasnt my original wording lol hmmm...maybe i should have said..."satans arse"? lol

a) Reversing your point - if you want to ply a competitive space MMO try EvE.
b) Its puzzling how people know my game skills without even seen me play..
c) And yes, it doesnt take super amounts of time because its easy - if they do it difficult, it would require - been there, done that*.
Hell, I m happy that I finally play something for 2-3h/day & feel that I can catch up with the community.

*We had 2 sets of tanks/healers being run (by other out-of-raid guild members) tribute runs in vanilla to get the buff & then summoned straight to AQ just for C'Thun tries. We had to run countless AQ runs (with random loot drops that most of the times was useless) to equip 60%+ of the raid because Patchwerk was an equipment check - if you didnt had it you couldnt kill it no matter what your skill. The amount of time needed to farm pots/mats/flasks just to raid was beyond any imagination. I used to be online 16+hours, 8 of them farming & 8 of them clearing a trivial raid for the rare chance of a useful (but so much needed drop) or progressing a boss fight - without complete guides, just hints from other top of the notch guilds, without boss abilities/mechanics. No more.-

To RadibPopcorn
I agree that you cant affect major parts of the story. E.g if someone chooses to do A & another B, they will have to do a different quest but the next step is common for both. I understand that they couldnt implement such a big diversity of quest lines - the "quest tree path" would be humongous. But thats what I think its missing (not total quest freedom, its impossible to deploy something like that) but a bit more in that direction. What it doesnt need is a change into another lootwh0ring fest with more & shinier armor pieces.

Whats the point in Hard Mode/Nightmare Mode then?

If you want to experience a cinematic story experience....watch a movie.

And you know, its not the games fault if you "can't play better" or get "more focused" or "manage your time better".

P.S. On that last point...its doesn't take super amounts of time to play this game (because is so freaking easy). EV normal can be done in just over 30 minutes.

But the way progression works in this game means that if anyone does vastly more than 2-3 hours a day, say a guild of hardcore players, then these people would find themselves with nothing challenging left to do.

I guess SWTOR has to come up with a system that provides for a long-term gradual progression that has more skill-based elements in it (e.g. the shared-storyline quest-chain I mentioned earlier could have certain solo moments where it's a test of skill rather than gear), but also require some grinding because grinding is part of the essence of a MMO, people need to be rewarded for their time investment too.

It seems dailies are one answer to this because everyone can only do the same number of dailies per day, and I honestly can't think of anything else (I don't like dailies because they're so grindy, doing the same thing over and over); it seems the balance can never be found.

THIS JUST IN: Casuals still trying to come to terms with a game that isn't designed for just one type of play style! Also, people have opinions! More at 11.

Can't believe this thread is still going, even after a mod gutted 30+ pages of personal attacks by casuals.

To my knowledge Hard & Nightmare modes have new bosses included.