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Omicronmd
03.01.2012 , 05:06 PM | #621
Quote: Originally Posted by Badlander View Post
Two words explain why games have been nerfed down to easy mode....entitlement generation.
I could not agree more.

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archifikoss
03.01.2012 , 05:06 PM | #622
Quote: Originally Posted by Limedust View Post
And what's wrong with elitism? Would you rather we stoop to mediocrity, or worse? Some people are better than others . . . that's a plain fact. Nothing wrong with pointing it out.
A crappy, superior attitude is never welcome. No one minds if people are better than them as long as they treat others properly. No matter how good you are, you have no right to act like a jerk. There is a big difference between elite and elitist.

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Omicronmd
03.01.2012 , 05:09 PM | #623
Quote: Originally Posted by Eddizel View Post
There is no challenging content in this game, there isn't really any "phat lewt" either.

So 1.2 is make or break for me, I can't speak for others.

According to you that is. As I said difficulty of things and value/"phatness" of items are both relative. If you want a challenge, try playing one handed.

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Akirator
03.01.2012 , 05:10 PM | #624
Quote: Originally Posted by archifikoss View Post
A crappy, superior attitude is never welcome. No one minds if people are better than them as long as they treat others properly. No matter how good you are, you have no right to act like a jerk. There is a big difference between elite and elitist.
Except in my experience the non-elites dont see a difference at all. They immediately assume if you want a challenge you're an elitist and are ruining the game.
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If somebody was standing on a street corner screaming "This town sucks, I'm moving!" you'd think he was crazy, right? I quit threads are the same thing.

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Limedust
03.01.2012 , 05:10 PM | #625
Quote: Originally Posted by archifikoss View Post
A crappy, superior attitude is never welcome. No one minds if people are better than them as long as they treat others properly. No matter how good you are, you have no right to act like a jerk. There is a big difference between elite and elitist.
A huge part of superiority is attitude, and contrary to your assertion, a superior attitude is often welcome, and indeed rewarded.
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Vindigore
03.01.2012 , 05:17 PM | #626
Bioware has given a chance to every player casual/social/hardcore, to enjoy all the content and get loot from every fight in the game. Thats a breakthrough in the world of MMO's. Most of them, separate these kind of players by having all the content accessible to a small minority (2-5%) while the rest either try to see these places or forfeit any chance of seeing them due to the difficulty level / the time needed to spend on the game / the very high learning curve needed to overcome the encounters.

Thats innovative thinking and kudos to them. Now, ofc, the players that were enjoying feeling superior to the "rest of us" protest. There is nothing that distinguishes them from any other player. What they have, we can have it, what they have killed, we can kill it. Someone that seeks attention through a MMO would go nuts. Cry over in forums, threaten to cancel his subscription etc. But if we bring it to what matters most to a company, aka money, I, the happy casual have subscribed for 6 months, while the other person, will do it for a month or two & every time something happens that he doesnt like, he ll threaten to cancel. Its easy to guess which is the preferred customer.

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Omicronmd
03.01.2012 , 05:18 PM | #627
Quote: Originally Posted by Agenteusa View Post
Like you pointed out in every single post you created.

Look, i´m not here to attack anyone as I´m not myself what you would call a "casual" I still play a lot, it´s just my mentality about mmo´s that changed a bit, I think due to not being a teenager anymore (I´m not implying anything, don´t get offended, just saying why I think I changed).

The only thing I´m saying is you really have to understand (hardcore, casual, black, white , doesn´t matter to me as it applies to all) is that if you are a good player and you can clear content faster than others good for you and you just have to wait for BW to evaluate on that so they can bring more challenging ops or easier ones (depending on the data gathered).

Now, what I think it´s wrong (albeit being your personal opinion) is to demand content just because you cleared all they gave you already. And you have been replying to that by making comparisons to raiding in other games and saying it´s easy. It´s easy for you, I also think its somewhat easy but not everyone does.

bottom line , easy or hard you´re not entitled to demand new content cause you really have no legal or any other reason other than your personal taste to abide by it.

Saying you will quit the game is not a reason.
Saying others will quit the game is not a reason.
Saying you pay to play is not a reason as others also do.

I´m worried that content that we all paid for with no exception is not working correctly , that´s my main focus cause that one is the content that no one can argue about since it pretty much affects everyone.
This hit the nail right on the head.

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Limedust
03.01.2012 , 05:21 PM | #628
Quote: Originally Posted by Vindigore View Post
Bioware has given a chance to every player casual/social/hardcore, to enjoy all the content and get loot from every fight in the game. Thats a breakthrough in the world of MMO's. Most of them, separate these kind of players by having all the content accessible to a small minority (2-5%) while the rest either try to see these places or forfeit any chance of seeing them due to the difficulty level / the time needed to spend on the game / the very high learning curve needed to overcome the encounters.

Thats innovative thinking and kudos to them. Now, ofc, the players that were enjoying feeling superior to the "rest of us" protest. There is nothing that distinguishes them from any other player. What they have, we can have it, what they have killed, we can kill it. Someone that seeks attention through a MMO would go nuts. Cry over in forums, threaten to cancel his subscription etc. But if we bring it to what matters most to a company, aka money, I, the happy casual have subscribed for 6 months, while the other person, will do it for a month or two & every time something happens that he doesnt like, he ll threaten to cancel. Its easy to guess which is the preferred customer.
Yes, you and the rest of happy casuals have certainly drunk the kool-aid. Congratulations on that.
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archifikoss
03.01.2012 , 05:22 PM | #629
Quote: Originally Posted by Limedust View Post
A huge part of superiority is attitude, and contrary to your assertion, a superior attitude is often welcome, and indeed rewarded.
Yeah... Except "attitude" does not mean "cocky, arrogant and insecure". True champions know their strengths and limits, show an interest in their peers and try to be the best because of their drive to improve, not because they're insecure and want to feel superior. Case in point? The Barcelona football (soccer) team. I don't support them myself, but they show class and character both in victory and defeat. That's "elite".

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Samborino
03.01.2012 , 05:24 PM | #630
Quote: Originally Posted by Vindigore View Post
Insecurity is when you need something shiny/better looking/with better stats than what the other people have, so you can prove you are better than them. You need the false "validation" of the item to prove your skills. I ve seen way to many inadequate (to be polite) persons, trying to convince me of their worth because they have the ultra-super-rare heroic drop(s), while in truth they were just leechers of a great raidgroup.

Want to prove your skills? Do e.g raid clearence races, count down the time needed to go from start to finish & compare it with others. But this doesnt give any special item so its not worth it, right?

I really dont get this need for epeen. I think that every other MMO has epeen in great esteem. If you value it so much, try one of the others. Leave an MMO for us that dont like it - but i m talking in vain, i m sure, the first characteristic of an epeen seeker is greediness, he wants it all...
So you beleive that loot variety in a game where the end game progression is solely based on gear progression is a bad thing?

Thats all there is for end game progression in most mmo's its reputation grinding (to get more items) and gear for progression. Dont get all psychologist on us, this game is about gear progression too its not somehow different, its just done a very poor job in the gear progression department.

And you say some really subjective comments, like assuming that because someone likes gear and is elitist they were just "in truth" leachers of a good group. You do realize a good group means that a majority of the group was good, therefore a majority of the people supposedly looking for phat lewt to as you say "validate themselves" were in fact good.

Your post makes non sense go back to the drawing board.

Incentive is everything in a game about gear progression, why do something for no incentive when so many other games offer incentive in a variety of ways, alot of people like progressing their character thats why they play this game, i would say that most people play MMO's because they like the sense of character progression. So wouldnt it make sense that they would want to take part in things within the game that help them acheive what they like about the game? Progressing their character?