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Eddizel
03.01.2012 , 11:19 AM | #581
Quote: Originally Posted by Agenteusa View Post
Like you pointed out in every single post you created.

Look, i´m not here to attack anyone as I´m not myself what you would call a "casual" I still play a lot, it´s just my mentality about mmo´s that changed a bit, I think due to not being a teenager anymore (I´m not implying anything, don´t get offended, just saying why I think I changed).

The only thing I´m saying is you really have to understand (hardcore, casual, black, white , doesn´t matter to me as it applies to all) is that if you are a good player and you can clear content faster than others good for you and you just have to wait for BW to evaluate on that so they can bring more challenging ops or easier ones (depending on the data gathered).

Now, what I think it´s wrong (albeit being your personal opinion) is to demand content just because you cleared all they gave you already. And you have been replying to that by making comparisons to raiding in other games and saying it´s easy. It´s easy for you, I also think its somewhat easy but not everyone does.

bottom line , easy or hard you´re not entitled to demand new content cause you really have no legal or any other reason other than your personal taste to abide by it.

Saying you will quit the game is not a reason.
Saying others will quit the game is not a reason.
Saying you pay to play is not a reason as others also do.

I´m worried that content that we all paid for with no exception is not working correctly , that´s my main focus cause that one is the content that no one can argue about since it pretty much affects everyone.
I can demand anything I want. I am the customer. Will I get it? Probably not. Can I ask? Certainly.

Let them gather the data. Let them put out 1.2.

At that point if the product is not what I want, I cancel my subscription, it is a pretty easy concept.

Bioware is going to do whatever they feel is neccessary to maintain their subscription base and to grow the game. If they want the business of players like me they will throw some content our way. If they feel that isn't profitable, they won't. No big deal, let the chips fall where they may.

They can take my feedback, or "demands" and do whatever they want with it. I will take my money and do whatever I want with it. If they meet my needs, and I feel the game is worth my time to continue playing, they will retain me as a customer and get my money. Simple.

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crimsonsglory
03.01.2012 , 11:26 AM | #582
Quote: Originally Posted by Smitar View Post
Somewhere buried in the forum is a thread by a guy who solo'd the gem mini-boss. Last time I looked, 3/4 the posts are attacking him more or less for daring to excel...amazing.

Read through the forums, there's a couple common themes emerging...anyone who isn't a "casual" can just leave. PvPers...not wanted. Raiders...not wanted. "Hardcores"...not wanted. End game players...not wanted. In short, anyone who isn't a self-proclaimed casual player who wants to endlessly roll alts in what then effectively becomes a single-player first person shooter with cartoon e-companions (with romance!) and a monthly sub fee...can just leave. Doesn't leave much of a player base. In any case, I suspect they're soon going to get their wish.
There was a thread in General Disc forum, a guy simply asking : Will there be Arena-like wow
2v2 3v3 5v5 added in the game. and a slew of wow / hardcore / raiders / pvpers / non-casuals Haters raining down on him.

Saying this is not wow, doors over there ---> , if u wana play wow go back to wow, no we dont need ppl like you, we got a life, trying to excel or being good in video game = hardcore bla bla bla .. the list goes on.

I find arrogant bads (who seem to be happy that this game is easy and bad) to be far more insufferable than arrogant elitists. - Boxcar

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Evangolis
03.01.2012 , 11:26 AM | #583
Lack of peen...so the great but few waggers are peenless and un-happy. The fact they can not merely peen waggle the great unwashed disturbes them...this is golden...this is great...LMAO
Recruiting all classes.

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va_wanderer
03.01.2012 , 11:32 AM | #584
Quote: Originally Posted by Samborino View Post
I also think this whole transferable mods with bonus's into orange gear thing worries me as it also takes away from the Epeen factor as you put it.
I played City of Heroes, and I disagree. Gear was a moot point there, it literally WAS about the "mods"- I can remember plenty of HO runs. Endgame had the best ones, of course. Now, add in interesting visuals on gear that's BoP from said endgame stuff? You're still rolling along just fine. I like being able to keep my favorite look, and I like seeing new visuals show up that I can CHOOSE to incorporate into my character- or simply strip the mods for my own purposes.

My issue is that statwise, endgame gear doesn't come with augment slots- which means shifting mods to an armortech'd orange piece that's exceptional is the best choice after 1.2. Being able to augment an orange piece of gear should be something that can be done via mechanics like WoW's gem slots, with items that add an augment slot to an existing piece of gear (Armortech, naturally). This way, visuals are maximized for options, and people who want to look as they like, will. Stats and all.[/QUOTE]
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Stupiddrummer
03.01.2012 , 11:33 AM | #585
Quote: Originally Posted by Evangolis View Post
Lack of peen...so the great but few waggers are peenless and un-happy. The fact they can not merely peen waggle the great unwashed disturbes them...this is golden...this is great...LMAO
personally, i'd love to see the best players on my server "Waggle their peen" because i would see them and think that one day, it will be me waggling my peen. Even if i never do get to that point in my play, it gives me something to strive for.

I'm lvl 39 and i'm looking forward to my...um...faster mount?

at lvl 39 in WoW i was dreaming about the day where my druid might possibly wield the hand of rag.

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Dumpiduke
03.01.2012 , 11:37 AM | #586
Quote: Originally Posted by Eddizel View Post
I can demand anything I want. I am the customer. Will I get it? Probably not. Can I ask? Certainly.
Pretty much this. James Ohlen specifically stated in his 1.2 teaser video that the game is for 'You'. Not casual gamer 'You', not hardcore game 'You', but the whole community 'You'. This seems to escape a lot of self-proclaimed casual minds. Anyone that has a concern with the game should voice it. Just be prepared to put up your flame shield when you're forced to defend yourself from the violent flames spewed forth from the opposing side; which is what the OP has been forced to do.

We need more middle-of-the-road players

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va_wanderer
03.01.2012 , 11:50 AM | #587
Quote: Originally Posted by Mynden View Post
Which without a reasonable challenge to it will be consumed within a week or 2 by everyone, and we'll be right back where we are now. Not logging on with nothing to do.
Here's the kicker- there is no "reasonable challenge".

The hardcore will always be hardcore- grinding away at whatever content is put in, finishing it faster than devs can make new content short of the content literally being undoable.

I remember Fires of Heaven and what happened with the Plane of Time on Everquest. I remember endless threads on Absolute Virtue on FFXI. Those were literally unbeatable. Everything else? It's like watching starving dogs offered a pile of beefsteaks. Five minutes later, they're still growling, the beefsteaks are gone, and then they're howling for more.

The only truly effective "evergreen" content is stuff that requires player interaction- sandboxing it, in some fashion to produce.
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Dumpiduke
03.01.2012 , 12:05 PM | #588
Quote: Originally Posted by va_wanderer View Post

The hardcore will always be hardcore- grinding away at whatever content is put in, finishing it faster than devs can make new content short of the content literally being undoable.
The trick is to fine-tune the content so that it can't be consumed so easily. For example, if Bioware has 3 months between content updates, the NM mode OP should have the hardcore guilds banging their heads against it for at least 75% of that time, or just over 2 months. The remaining month will be spent grinding and farming the OP for gear and fluff to use in the next tier of raiding.

For an end-game that is gear and progression based, I see that as the only viable option to keeping raiding guilds interested and subscribed. I see it as a pretty simple fix really. Make the NM modes insanely challenging with fluff rewards and you keep a good majority of hardcores content and willing to continue their subscription. This doesn't even affect casual players in the slightest. I don't understand why so many people are so adamantly arguing against hardcore raiding.

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DieAlteHexe
03.01.2012 , 12:10 PM | #589
Quote: Originally Posted by Dumpiduke View Post
...We need more middle-of-the-road players
We are legion, just mostly don't get into the middle of these micturating contests.

Rarely does much get solved, civility goes right down the crapper and everyone involved just gets wet.

My opinion: Content for all types. It's tough to "keep up" with the "hardcores" as they are very, very dedicated, methodical, savvy players. But, it's wise to make sure that all your player base has content.

Now, if any of the defined segments (casual, hardcore, RPers, PvPers, etc.) are in such low number as to not be worth the focus, well, I can't blame a developer house for not much bothering.

It is pretty much all down to $€ etc.

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va_wanderer
03.01.2012 , 12:20 PM | #590
Quote: Originally Posted by Dumpiduke View Post
The trick is to fine-tune the content so that it can't be consumed so easily. For example, if Bioware has 3 months between content updates, the NM mode OP should have the hardcore guilds banging their heads against it for at least 75% of that time, or just over 2 months. The remaining month will be spent grinding and farming the OP for gear and fluff to use in the next tier of raiding.

For an end-game that is gear and progression based, I see that as the only viable option to keeping raiding guilds interested and subscribed. I see it as a pretty simple fix really. Make the NM modes insanely challenging with fluff rewards and you keep a good majority of hardcores content and willing to continue their subscription. This doesn't even affect casual players in the slightest. I don't understand why so many people are so adamantly arguing against hardcore raiding.
That's the point. Why spend all that energy distracting a small portion of the playerbase?

Just put more raid-level mobs out in the existing game world. Put them in areas where it's PvP-active to boot for some real "nightmare mode" challenges. Yes, PvE mobs in a PvP-active area. They don't need special snowflake zones to go do this stuff. Trust me. Raiders don't give much of a flying fudge WHAT the area is, just that it's big and tough and hard to kill for interesting shinies. You don't need new zones for those mobs. You just need new mobs.

You could probably revive Ilum singlehandedly if you dropped a dozen or so Ops-level (and/or group sized) hardmode mobs into the middle of that snowy pile of junk. Walkers that disembark a unit that makes Havoc Squad look like Girl Scouts, giant war droids, an Imperial Sith Lord with a legion of elite/bosslevel bodyguards, whatever. And while you're at it, having to deal with enemy players as well. There's your endgame challenges.
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