This game lacks epeen

I'd be satisfied with that. My issue comes when the 'hardcore/ePeen' crowd demands that the developers spend all of there time on 'their' content, while the rest of the game waists away to nothing.

If the hardcores can be happy with just nightmare mode (and some exclusives), and allow the devs to spend time on continuing the class story (solo) in the game, and giving casual some gear (that looks good). Then all will be well.

I have a feeling that's not going to happen...

(You know this got me to thinking. Rift was a game that was almost exclusively for raiders. It had a fast level up, and then an endless parade of hardcore raid content. It really was a game that was not for the casual gamer...why didn't the hardcores flock to it in droves? I've always wondered why....)

I'm afraid it's not true mate... I am more of a loner in MMOs (as my gaming time is really my only "alone time" these days). I mean, I like to chat in general, respond to people who need help, tend not to decline group invites and when in a group I try to pull my own weight, but I am truthfully not as much an MMOer as I am an RPG fan. The community needs more social and more dedicated players than me.

Thanks for your kind words though, much appreciated

The quote means I am waiting for a ranking system and a cross server system to open up the competition. Right now warzones are hit or miss, you can only bring a premade of 4, and you never know the quality of the game you are going to get. When the system is ranked, allows full premades, and matches teams up by ratings, that is when I will be interested again.

I've read this entire thread pretty much. After all 57 pages, I believe I seen maybe 2 posts that could somehow be construed as chauvinist from the hardcore crowd and they really haven't been insulting anyone. They just try to reason with everyone in this thread who sees things differently all while being attacked for being an "elitist" and having their morals, lifestyle choices up on the chopping block by the self proclaimed casuals simply because they play a GAME differently.

On the flip side, I've completely lost track of how many posts I've seen from casuals completely tear into others because they don't agree with their ideology. Nearly every casual in here(with the exception of the many casuals who actually defend the OP, and there are plenty of them) are exerting the behavior they have accused "hardcores" of and hate so much. The vast majority of every casual post in this thread is an attack, not a counterattack.

You guys need to look in the mirror. I'm sorry so many of you are clearly so insecure that someone with gear that's better than yours is sitting next to you in a digital common area and not saying anything. No hardcore in here hates a causal because he's a casual, however almost every casual in here hates a hardcore...and your reasons are so unjust it's baffling.

OP has a very valid point that should be accepted by all play styles. Why? Because it's a fact. Endgame is extremely easy and it's a lootfest and a half. That's not something to be offended by if you're a casual lol. God you guys are insecure lol

TLDR: Casuals in this thread need to look in the mirror, realize games are not centered around anyone one type of play style, and stop making fools of themselves in threads like this. No one is attacking you, so chill the **** out and get over your insecurities.

I think basically when you have a number of groups playing the same game that these clashes will always occur and nothing good ever comes of it because the two main groups have no respect for each other irrespective of the title being played.

It is a shame but years of arguing will never be brushed under the carpet and forgotten, the emotions run too deep on both sides for that.

It is actually sad because it doesn't ever help the game that is being played.

No. Because I learn that being elitist, by:
- destroying all other guilds that seem to catch you in progress by offering a guaranteed spot/loots in our 100% successful raidgroup to the best players of these guilds
- ruining the open world boss tries of other guilds either by pulling extra mobs/sending the horde "brother guild" to kill their healers/tanks
- disbanding the most successful other guilds & having their officers & guild banks transferred to us

is totally and utterly lame. We got the bragging rights of clearing vanilla Naxxramas when next guild in line was struggling at the previous raid content. We were 6th in europe & 13th in the world at Illidan. And for these show offs, we ruined the fun of a lot of people.

I saw the worst that loot can bring out to a person (or a bunch of persons) and realized that I dont want to do that to anyone. Its just a game, not a life or death competition. After that experience, I dropped wow, got a job, a life and now I m spending extra time in swtor, happy that it is a game that doesnt attract this crowd. I answered 'no' at your question because I feel that through this experience I grew up & became a better person.

No I´m not wrong. You don´t even know the timeline I´m talking about.
Why would you be right with your answer then?

I´m going to take the time to explain it to you.

Most people are convinced this happened after the 1-49 bracket was introduced yet I can state from myself that the whining started much before that (people that play less ( I hate the term casual) were probably still stuck in char screen so you get an idea) and it was at least in my server which is the largest populated EU server from people who knew what they are doing.

People that play less usually dont really lose too much time breaking down the abilities dmg and such things and hey I know most players in my server (the ones that pvp) so I know who has more skill and less skill (thank god I do now , once x-server pvp comes out that will stop happening).

This has happened before as people know if they complaint a lot and throw some data about abilities eventually the devs will do something. Move to wow forum and check it for yourself.

Ofc I also saw the odd post about people that play less complaining about it but thats much more recent and you will only have to hop into those threads to really understand which type of player is behind the lines that are written.

oh my don´t bring back bad memories :W

I wasn´t in a guild that good as yours but the parallelism is obvious between experiences.

OP has been bashed for 59 pages by casuals just because they have a false preconceived notion of what people who share his game style are like, all while bringing a very acceptable thread to the forums. You really surprised he's getting fed up with it? Hell, I would have gone looking for where you all live in a drunken rage by now.

Your experience is definitely worth noting. However, you have to admit your guild is certainly an outlyer. I played on Mal'Ganis (elitest jerks' server) and we had maybe 3 guilds total on the server that beat vanilla Nax40.