This game lacks epeen

I think Skyrim is allowed to be alot more open-ended. I like SWTOR's stories but, ultimately, they need to land their storylines winthin a given target area that still fits the MMO elements of the game and future content.

Can't quite grasp why the self proclaimed "casuals" have such a hard time with raiders or the "hardcore" players.

In MMOs "casuals" usually have minimal contact with raiders or the hardcore players...unless they actively seek out contact by joining a raid group where team work, coordination, following instructions, knowing your class, communication, proper spec/gems/enchants/rotation, taking the time to familarize yourself with the fights, and showing up on time with your expendables are basic requirements. When you do none of these things, waste the time of an entire group of people, costing them time, effort, gold, and aggravation...you're shocked when told "u suk" and bounced from the group? Reality is, in that situation, you really do suck, and you're a rude, impolite, self-centered person who just jerked an entire raid group around.

As far as "numbers games" go...hate to break the news to you, but at hard levels, it generally IS a numbers game. When you're trying to beat an enrage timer, it requires a minimum dps output from each dedicated dps class. Heals throughput has to meet the requirement. You have to keep your specific buffs/de-buffs hot. Interrupt on your mark. Boss fights are choreographed dances, that often take months to learn...and you have to know the music, and you have to learn the dance steps. And just like a professional dancer, you have to spend the time learning how to dance at that level. But don't blame the other dancers when you can't be bothered. Sorry it's not easy or handed to you...but there it is. They're called "hardcore" gamers for a reason.

Well, there is a lot that Bioware can do to expand and improve their game, including tying in the story with the end-game aspect in well.

Honestly, alot of people in this thread don't get it. The OP is right, this game needs more of the good Hardcore crowd, not the arrogant ******es that think they are the ****, but the ones that drive the websites, make theorycrafting, make videos, drive guilds and drive events! It's THESE people the ones that make the base of the community! Community makes MMOs guys! I mean there's a reason SWG limped for 4 more years after NGE... it was the very community that held the last line of flesh that game ever had.

The hardcore crowd factor however is something that not many people get, since it's really not seen as directly as other stuff. Like a poster at the second page mentioned. The reason WoW got so popular was cause the hardcores spread good word of mouth to the rest of the gaming world. Word of mouth is one of the most, if not THE most powerful advertising tool in the entire world of marketing and these people were doing it for free.

Hardcore people drive games guys.... but they need a reason to stay as well, and the good thing about it, it's it really doesn't have to be physical. It could be something behind the scenes like an actual "nightmare" mode in raiding. Something that poses a challenge and gives them the means to go after the bragging rights. Alot of people say "Hardcores need shinies nobody else can get to play" NO that mentality was created by WoW.... if you look up other MMOs before WoW, the hardcore playerbase went for stuff that wasn't even gear related.... sometimes it was extremely hard boss kills, or grinding alot of classes till you unlocked the ultimate class ( ala SWG ), or maybe grinding this mob so many times for a specific item, even at times taking a town or city for a period of time. It varied from game to game, and the neat thing about it was that it was optional to the casual player, as in 100% optional!

The OP is right, the hardcores are needed in the community as much as the casuals and a community without hardcore players is like a government without leadership. If this game loses it's hardcore community, good luck finding RP events in RP servers and good luck finding great guild leaders and that's just 1% of the things that will happen to this game when these guys leave. That's my 2 cents!

I think it's really clever how your characters personal story isn't tied to an end game raid. This was one of the huuuge mistakes that WOW made. Once things end in a raid then players are forced to deal with people, that they might not want to deal with, or they get bored, locked out of end game, and un-subscribe. By keeping the raids 'self contained' in terms of personal plot lines, it allows players to experience their characters journey from beginning to...well to the end 'so far'.

Yes it's a mostly solo aspect, but I believe it's handled very well.

SW:TOR is a very different kind of MMO. Almostt 'one of a kind' in the way that it's presented, and how it caters to a group of players (who really enjoy lore, story, and art), that before now, have never been fully catered to. This isn't a game that caters to the eSport/ePeen pro gamer crowd.

This is a game where finally, finally, it's the story that really matters, and I think for some pro gamers, that's a hard concept to grasp.

Perhaps this is a game where have the most purplez, really doesn't matter at all....for once.

Can't quite grasp why the self proclaimed "casuals" have such a hard time with raiders or the "hardcore" players.

In MMOs "casuals" usually have minimal contact with raiders or the hardcore players...unless they actively seek out contact by joining a raid group where team work, coordination, following instructions, knowing your class, communication, proper spec/gems/enchants/rotation, addons, taking the time to familarize yourself with the fights, and showing up on time with your expendables are basic requirements. When you do none of these things, waste the time of an entire group of people, costing them time, effort, gold, and aggravation...you're shocked when told "u suk" and bounced from the group? Reality is, in that situation, you really do suck, and you're a rude, impolite, self-centered person who just jerked an entire raid group around.

As far as "numbers games" go...hate to break the news to you, but at hard levels, it generally IS a numbers game. When you're trying to beat an enrage timer, it requires a minimum dps output from each dedicated dps class. Heals throughput has to meet the requirement. You have to keep your specific buffs/de-buffs hot. Interrupt on your mark. Boss fights are choreographed dances, that often take months to learn...and you have to know the music, and you have to learn the dance steps. And just like a professional dancer, you have to spend the time learning how to dance at that level. But don't blame the other dancers when you can't be bothered. Sorry it's not easy or handed to you...but there it is.

They're called "hardcore" gamers for a reason. And no, they aren't spending their game time on the basic content...they're spending it in the raids learning the fights and beating their faces against bosses. In SWTOR, the raids are so pathetic, there is none of that. Biff boom bang, and you're done.

In MMOs "casuals" usually have minimal contact with raiders or the hardcore players...unless they actively seek out contact by joining a raid group where team work, coordination, following instructions, knowing your class, communication, proper spec/gems/enchants/rotation, addons, taking the time to familarize yourself with the fights, and showing up on time with your expendables are basic requirements. When you do none of these things, waste the time of an entire group of people, costing them time, effort, gold, and aggravation...you're shocked when told "u suk" and bounced from the group? Reality is, in that situation, you really do suck, and you're a rude, impolite, self-centered person who just jerked an entire raid group around.

As far as "numbers games" go...hate to break the news to you, but at hard levels, it generally IS a numbers game. When you're trying to beat an enrage timer, it requires a minimum dps output from each dedicated dps class. Heals throughput has to meet the requirement. You have to keep your specific buffs/de-buffs hot. Interrupt on your mark. Boss fights are choreographed dances, that often take months to learn...and you have to know the music, and you have to learn the dance steps. And just like a professional dancer, you have to spend the time learning how to dance at that level. But don't blame the other dancers when you can't be bothered. Sorry it's not easy or handed to you...but there it is.

They're called "hardcore" gamers for a reason. And no, they aren't spending their game time on the basic content...they're spending it in the raids learning the fights and beating their faces against bosses. In SWTOR, the raids are so pathetic, there is none of that. Biff boom bang, and you're done.

Well, there is a lot that Bioware can do to expand and improve their game, including tying in the story with the end-game aspect in well. I would even like it if they added more "sandbox-ish" end-game planets where players can carve out their own storyline (within the constraints of the game) and actually affect the world on a planetary scale.

I find it a waste that MMOs such as TOR have all these beautiful open worlds, but so little to do in them at max level... Spending ones time in instances feels pointless But it comes with the theme park MMO genre, I suppose...

I think it's really clever how your characters personal story isn't tied to an end game raid. This was one of the huuuge mistakes that WOW made. Once things end in a raid then players are forced to deal with people, that they might not want to deal with, or they get bored, locked out of end game, and un-subscribe. By keeping the raids 'self contained' in terms of personal plot lines, it allows players to experience their characters journey from beginning to...well to the end 'so far'.

Yes it's a mostly solo aspect, but I believe it's handled very well.

SW:TOR is a very different kind of MMO. Almost 'one of a kind' in the way that it's presented, and how it caters to a group of players (who really enjoy lore, story, and art), that before now, have never been fully catered to. This isn't a game that caters to the eSport/ePeen pro gamer crowd.

This is a game where finally, finally, it's the story that really matters, and I think for some pro gamers, that's a hard concept to grasp.

Perhaps this is a game where have the most purplez, really doesn't matter at all....for once.

Haven't reached end-game yet, but I don't think it needs to be necessarily tied into a raid (I hate raiding myself). It would be fun if all different types of end-game are alluded to though. I'd love it if it feels a bit like Freelancer after you complete the main story