This game lacks epeen

I honestly cant say. My highest is lvl 39 and i havent started raiding yet.

But to disregard the hardcore player bases contribution to the game as a whole is counter-productive and just plain retarded.

The people who contribute to the game arent people like me, who only have a small amount of time to play. They are the hardcores, that spend +8 hours a day on the game, and maintain community data bases (swtorwiki, torhead), design raid strats. theory craft, and (hopefully in the future) design mods and UI add-ons.


seriously read the OP

Imprecise as the term is, I tend to regard 'e-peen' as a reference made to unhealthy degrees of fixation on what could and, in my thinking should, elsewise be a contributing degree of accomplishment's role in a game.


Again per my interpretation, you're not e-peening if you and your guildmates are shooting for a world first; that's a perfectly valid goal and there's nothing inherently arrogant, egotistical or hinged on flaunting about it.

If you go around bragging that you're in a guild contending for world firsts, you're e-peening.

If you achieve a world first and strut around being arrogant and rubbing others' faces in it, you're e-peening.

Basically, I take it as a signifier of maturity. Healthy degrees of fostered accomplishment and behaviour encouraged by those fostered systems is good for a game.

Focusing on encouraging e-peening? Why, so we can encourage everyone to envy others and fixate on getting that stuff too wherein which, if they can't meet the demands to do so, their game experience -will- suffer for it?

That's just bad reasoning. There are better ways that could be employed to foster and encourage both accomplishment as well as community without resorting to a known method for proliferating division, hatred and social toxicity.

Yes, it is true that a casual player might not have gear quite as good as a hardcore player. Is that a bad thing? Do you honestly drive around scoffing at people who drive BMW's lashing out in anger that they have a better car than you? No, of course not, and if you do you're acting irrationally. They bought that car with money they earned, just like a hardcore player will have put more time into the game than you, and earned their gear accordingly.

Agreed, and you'll never find me, for one, bashing on a thread calling for any of what you singled out in the parts I snipped.

*SNIP*.

There are better ways to spin it, in short. Focusing on envy as a motivator, well...in order to express how much I loath that sentiment, I'd need a tire iron, a length of rope and three days alone with the concept out back in the woodshed.

This is about epeening not about Hardcore players.

I´m a former hardcore player and I don´t have anything against hardcore players. I do have against "epeen players" as described in this thread and generally againt people bashing the developers with everything that crosses their minds no matter how insignificant it is.

Yes, it worries me since important issues will be forgotten, like, let´s say Ilum for instance?
Objective based pvp?
Raid bosses not being bugged?

Those are important issues taht don´t work as intended as of now so yeah I don´t care about people who say teh game is easy, and you get gear so easily and fast asking for stuff that imo not only will ruin the community but even make the game easier (x-server lfg, combat logs, macros. healbots, etc).

Um, Actually, I hate it when you park yourself upon me, the mailboxes, and the storage units, so yes you do get in the way with obnoxious epeen blocking the view and my whole screen.

Kindly go to a smaller , and apparently (QQ) less epeen, speeder or walk while in the Fleet so as not obstruct everyone's view of important things, like anything on their screen.

So, take your Super Mount out of my face, please.

Oh yeah, and WoW, wasn't it the epeen guilds/crowd/testers that were all caught Exploiting what they passed in tests? Oh, 8 day ban slap, oops.

While the OP worded it quite poorly, he is touching on something that is actually at the very core of the issues this game has. First I'll say that I do come from a hardcore raiding WoW experience, but am enjoying leveling slowly and enjoying TOR's story immensely.

There seems to be an increasingly popular sentiment in this thread by casual players lashing out in anger at the hardcore players who simply want difficult, high level game content to work towards. This stance is no less intolerant than the ideas they are bashing.

In WoW, there were certain piecing of armor only accessible to the rank #1 pvp player on the entire server, or the the most high ranked players. Many extremely difficult bosses dropped items that on some servers only one person had, due to its rarity. Now, you might think "wow! only one player gets the item?! *** is the point of that?" The point of it is to give players something to dream about and to strive for. That one, single item causes thousands upon thousands of players to play more often with more vigor, hoping that they will soon attain it. It may seem like a trivial thing to add, but it is something incredibly important to players and touches on the psychology of why players keep playing the game and what makes them feel like their time isn't being wasted.

Yes, it is true that a casual player might not have gear quite as good as a hardcore player. Is that a bad thing? Do you honestly drive around scoffing at people who drive BMW's lashing out in anger that they have a better car than you? No, of course not, and if you do you're acting irrationally. They bought that car with money they earned, just like a hardcore player will have put more time into the game than you, and earned their gear accordingly.

Appeasing the hardcore players by adding higher level content and novelty awards/items with higher stats would be a healthy addition to the game, and not only to the hardcore players but to everyone who plays. The best thing the game can do is to have something that appeals to every type of MMO player. Right now, casuals have a lot of things in their camp, and now the hardcore players need a little love.

Casual players don't like competing for high ranks? Then don't compete for high ranks. Don't like raiding nightmare ops? Then don't raid nightmare ops. But working to keep things these out of the game simply because they won't be able to reap the rewards is nothing short of pure, unabashed selfishness.

I would argue that the e-peen mentality is why other mmo's *have* nice things; a community with an identity, resources for new/learning players and stable economies.

The op is spot on and this is what we need. You need th hardcores for th backbone.