This game lacks epeen

I would argue that the e-peen mentality is why other mmo's *have* nice things; a community with an identity, resources for new/learning players and stable economies. Refer back to SWG's economy pre and post nge if you need an example, where certian prices jumped 300-2000% due to some areas of the game lacking supplies funded by, you guessed it, the hardcore community. WoW currently has one of the largest Wiki information pages in the world, not to mention countless other sites dedicated to it; What percentage of the information available there do you think was found by the small 5-10% of players that you're refering to compared to the casual majority who is just content to play the game? Researching loot tables, drop rates and making complete item lists broken down by rarity, type, stats etc. are not bothered with traditionally by the casual player, but it still benefits and enhances their gameplay, and they rightfully still use the information.


Even just looking at TOR will show you this fact. How much of the information on the game do we have from the beta testers who were grinding from 1-50 12 to 20 times to learn as much about the game as possible? How many are responsible for the guides and explanations for the flashpoints and boss fights? I would reference the TOR community, but there is no such thing in a game where pretty much everything is easy enough to do on your own. <_< TOR's ingame community doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same category as WoW, SWG or even Aion's community identities, and that's going to not only affect your current gameplay, but the future of this game as well. TOR to a new person might as well be a single player game, so if you're looking for a good story with a community that helps *drive* that story along, you're SOL and are going to look elsewhere after that story grows tiring or is finished.

What seems to be constantly missed is the hardcore players on WoW *created* the community and infastructure that the casuals can hop in and out of on their whim, just as hardcore players in SWG created what many still hold to be the greatest MMO community they've ever been a part of. So i guess the TL;DR is you're right that hardcores arent a substantial wing of the plane, if you'll agree that the workers that built your sports stadium aren't substantial in allowing you to enjoy your leisure time. <_<


Phew. xD Lunch time. :3 (sidenote; This is from the veiwpoint of a former hardcore player who's since become casual due to work and family obligations.)

So the hardcore minority is not playing anymore while the casual majority is enjoying the game?

The hardcore scene is not some finite, static group of people. It changes depending on the time, place, and game in question. For every hardcore player that leaves the scene, there are two ready to take the newly opened spot who are just as capable.

Since this post seems to be comparing this game's hardcore crowd to WoW's, I have to ask; How many people currently in WoW's hardcore scene were there at it's launch? Perhaps a handful at best. The rosters for each top ten guild changes and shuffles each time there's an expansion.

The OP's mistake is thinking that those who play and theorize at the hardcore level are irreplaceable. They're not. They're just as expendable as anyone else.

Quality pvp players....

Special huh? where I come from everybody gets a trophy! Those kids payed their parents money to play too!

That being the case, how can epeen (I.E. - a sense of accomplishment) be bad?

Surely you jest on the trophies right?

In the world i live in there are winners and LOOSERS