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So when do we get the Appearance Tab?

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So when do we get the Appearance Tab?

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illgot
12.29.2011 , 12:33 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Amamort View Post
Imho, I find the way I look very important, but I actually like the fact that if you want a specific appearance, you need to work for it, rather than a drag and drop approach.

Just my 2 cents
wait until you get end game and find that your orange armor is sub par to raid gear that has set bonuses or PvP gear which helps you with PvP.

Basically, the orange gear is great for specializing your gear if you can find mods, and only if you are not bothering to collect raid gear or PvP gear.

As for customizing your look, orange gear is a weak excuse for an appearance tab.

One thing that bothers me, the only orange crafted gear I have seen on the broker is the same models over and over.

Either there are just no crafters actually making gear or Biowares statement that every green item has an orange equivalent was false.

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Shammus
12.29.2011 , 12:36 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Mckor View Post
For those of you that say there is "an orange item for every look", please tell me exactly what orange items match the look of medium Combat Synth armor. I love the look. I've reverse-engineered every piece up to purple, but as I understand it you can't continue to RE it till it gets to orange.

I've been trawling the GTN, and so far I have seen NO oranges that duplicate the look. I've seen plenty of stuff that is hideous, or looks like it belongs in City of Heroes, but nothing that matches the look of Combat Synth.

You can't tell me that it's "not lore," or it wouldn't be available at all.

Until someone can specifically name the orange armor that gives me a look identical to what I'm wearing, and what I like, I don't think you can argue that you can get any look you want from crafting.
provide a screenshot I'll try to help. Oranges are not the only 100 percent modifiable pieces btw.. quest blues etc.. can do the same.
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ColonelKer-Nal
12.29.2011 , 12:36 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by illgot View Post
wait until you get end game and find that your orange armor is sub par to raid gear that has set bonuses or PvP gear which helps you with PvP.

Basically, the orange gear is great for specializing your gear if you can find mods, and only if you are not bothering to collect raid gear or PvP gear.

As for customizing your look, orange gear is a weak excuse for an appearance tab.

One thing that bothers me, the only orange crafted gear I have seen on the broker is the same models over and over.

Either there are just no crafters actually making gear or Biowares statement that every green item has an orange equivalent was false.
Or, 6 days into a new game, people have not managed to RE everything yet.

Aside from appearance there is precious little reason to craft. This too needs to be fixed.
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Karista
12.29.2011 , 01:00 AM | #84
I roleplay.. for me an appearence tab is kinda necessary.

I want to go into a bar rply, change out of heavy armour and put on something lighter and relax on board my ship with a few friends rply, then I shouldn't I have the choice to put on something that disguises my armour.

Would you truly go to a formal dinner in your trooper plate? Or would you purchase the Formal Wear from the Social Merchant?

Yes it is orange and I could mod it.. but it is LIGHT armour... and thusly would not provide the stats I need when out questing.

Why can't I just swap it in and out as needed, after all, I would be swapping my app gear in and out, right?

Because of the times I will invariably forget to swap it out and I fail to see the need for me to remove my adventuring gear to get the look I need. That is what an app tab is for. Say I like the look of that orange robe and that purple head slot together as a adventurer? But I have out-leveled that purple... without a app tab, I am screwed.

Someone mentioned limiting the app tab to armour type that you can use etc, heavy type being limited to heavy type etc, but then that removes the chance for those characters who rp and are heavy armour wearers to chose to wear lighter clothing, or clothing more approprite to the setting that they are to be rping in, once again... would you go to a rp wedding or party in your bulky armour?

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ColonelKer-Nal
12.29.2011 , 01:29 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Karista View Post
Someone mentioned limiting the app tab to armour type that you can use etc, heavy type being limited to heavy type etc, but then that removes the chance for those characters who rp and are heavy armour wearers to chose to wear lighter clothing, or clothing more approprite to the setting that they are to be rping in, once again... would you go to a rp wedding or party in your bulky armour?
Unfortunately, BWs design philosophy seems to be that each AC should be easily identifiable visually.

I strongly disagree with there position of catering to lackwitted PvPers, feeling pretty strongly that PvP should be competitive and not more spoon feeing.

My point being that you shouldn't get your hopes up.
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illgot
12.29.2011 , 01:33 AM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by ColonelKer-Nal View Post
Or, 6 days into a new game, people have not managed to RE everything yet.

Aside from appearance there is precious little reason to craft. This too needs to be fixed.
you don't get orange recipes from REing.

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Ohoni
12.29.2011 , 02:53 AM | #87
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I'd like to be interested in crafting as well, however, the state of crafting right now is also..... Hmmm, I've always said "if you can't express yourself well without profanity, you can't express yourself well". Guess I can't express myself well, because I am completely at a loss for PG rated words to describe just what a waste of time crafting is right now. There is litteraly zero point in it, and there will be less point than that if we get an A-Tab.
No, there'd be considerably MORE value to crafting after the A-Tab. The reason is that now, if an Armor or Arms crafter makes an orange gear, it's appearance only, and the people they sell them to will only ever need to buy ONE of them, the one that they want, and from that point on they would only have use for mods for that slot. Then there are the non-orange pieces, which some people might want, but a lot of people don't care about because the appearance isn't what they want, and they have their orange piece.

With an appearance tab, every piece of gear in the game has two separate values, how they look, and how they perform. That doubles the value of each piece. It means that a level 50 character might have value for a level 10 armor, because that armor has an appearance that they like. It also means that a level 40 character can equip a piece of green/blue/purple crafted gear without worrying about how it'll mess up his look. It means that players are much more likely to seek out the best gear possible for their level, rather then trying to find mods for their orange gear only.

Adding an appearance tab would make EVERY crafting set more valuable, not less.

And that's just under the current system. Personally, I'd like to see every piece of gear become mostly customizable. Instead of having no customization on green, none on blue, up to two on purple, and four on orange, I would have it so that all gear has at least 2 slots available (mod and enhance, also color in weapons), just that green gear would come with no mods pre-slotted and would have a reduced armor, blue versions would have the equivalent of a blue Armoring so higher armor and would have one blue Mod slotted in, and purple versions would have the equivalent of a purple Armoring and both slots pre-filled with Blue mods. This keeps the disparity in base stats, and means that these pieces would obsolesce over time, but for a given level range you would be able to customize and upgrade them a bit to carry them over the hump to the next best piece of gear.


In my view, the mod system should have nothing to do with appearance whatsoever, it should be completely separate from appearance. What mods should be for is enhancement and customization. The best gear you're likely to have at any given level should be less out of the box than it would be if you slotted superior mods into it, and of course the stats it comes with might not be exactly what is ideal for your character, and mods can be used to clear that gap.

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No one said it was going to be simple, easy, or cheap. As you have noticed, the state of crafting leaves a lot to be desired right now.
I want it to be simple, easy, and cheap. Changing your appearance is not something that should have a cost attached, at least not within the collection of appearances you've already amassed.

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Can you give a specific case where you actually HAD to wear and ugly piece of gear?
It happens constantly. Even my new level 10 Sage is wearing chest and leg pieces that I consider less attractive than ones that I'd earned earlier in that character's progression. My level 31 Trooper has come across dozens of pieces that have had slightly, or even significantly higher stats than what I have on, while not looking quite as good to me, or completely mismatching other pieces I have on. I have a great shot of my Elara Dorne running around in the best armor I had for her at the time, which was basic "storm troopery" armor, but with the helmet having yellow highlights, the torso having blue, the pants having green, and the boots having red. The companions are even more a victim of the current system, as they cannot equip a lot of the orange and purple pieces, which are class restricted (and companions have no classes, even if they look like they do).

Customizable coloring would definitely help, but even the cut of an outfit is often a downgrade from what came before.

And keep in mind, by "had to wear," I'm talking in practical terms, not literal. If I am given the choice between wearing a piece of armor that I like the look of, and then in my inventory is a piece of armor that can replace it and offer 5% better stats across the board, then I would consider that a circumstance in which the game is at least strongly encouraging me to put on the second armor. My point is I should never have to choose, I should be able to equip that second piece of armor without a second thought, and retain whatever appearance I've already had and enjoyed.

Earning NEW looks might be something worthy of some effort, but retaining existing looks should take zero effort. Not everything deserves to be a slog.

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provide a screenshot I'll try to help. Oranges are not the only 100 percent modifiable pieces btw.. quest blues etc.. can do the same.
There are blues where you can change out the Armoring slots?

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Unfortunately, BWs design philosophy seems to be that each AC should be easily identifiable visually.
They are already, by weapon and stance. Still, I think they would be better off just having a little icon over their head in PvP to tell their class.

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Aegamin
12.29.2011 , 03:03 AM | #88
I would really like an apperance tab. The look of my toon is very important to me.

I personally like the way the apperance tab is implemented in LOTRO and EQ2.

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Shammus
12.29.2011 , 03:04 AM | #89
yes there are blues where you can change out armoring slots honestly I don't know what the color orange even means anymore.. maybe it comes modless or not all items are marked properly.
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ColonelKer-Nal
12.29.2011 , 03:05 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by illgot View Post
you don't get orange recipes from REing.
As I said, "This too, needs to be fixed."
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