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Guacomole
02.27.2012 , 01:03 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by TalonSaber View Post
It's not just lightening though it also decalcify your bones and/or cause mental

anguish . also the wattage is not as important as the ohms that's what will kill you

Its the amperage man, not ohms, But i see what you did there

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radbass
02.27.2012 , 01:49 PM | #22
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Does any of the books or games of star wars ever mention how the sith are able to use lightning and why the Jedi choose not to use it?
there is a new book (i forget the name its one of the "essential" books) about the dichotomy of Jedi and Sith. this book does explain that Jedi Master Plo Koon (orange dude with breathing mask) used force lightning on an impulse in a mission. though the rest of the council was worried about this, Plo Koon chose to master the passionless application of the art and implement it in his fighting style. He called it Electric Judgement.

the reason lightning is mostly attributed to the dark side is that it has no utility. its only application is the infliction of pain and death. this is as opposed to the jedi's go-to power, telekinesis, which has any number of non combat related applications.

So yes, some jedi used lightning, but most frown upon it. this is because it is purely a combat technique, and it is important to remember that while Sith are, by nature, conquerors, Jedi are by nature Scholar warriors, with an emphasis on scholar.

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NasherUK
02.27.2012 , 03:22 PM | #23
Something to do with the dark side being addictive blahblah. But we all really know the dark side is stronger, a good defence is a strong offence right? :P

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LordOfMassacre
02.27.2012 , 04:45 PM | #24
The Darkside IS STRONGER, the only disagreements are from fan boys or players who are mad they choose a jedi.

Darth Sion was immortal he could not die in battle, the only way he was defeated was to be convinced to let go of his pain.

NO JEDI EVER had such a power.

Darth Nihiliuos DEVOURED ENTIRE frackin planets, he devoured thousands of jedi without even needing to draw his lightsaber. he was only defeated for his "connection" or love for his apprentice, in other words his last straw of humanity. He was the Dark Side made manifest.

NO JEDI EVER came close to such a power


Darth Revan a Jedi Master turned to the Dark Side and became MORE POWERFUL, had he remained a Jedi he would be too weak and indeed the republic would have remained too weak too resist the madalorians or the True Sith Empire.

Lastly look at all the fights in the movies,

Darth Maul is taken down by TWO jedis, and he kills one

Darth Sidious kills three Jedi Masters and draws with Mace although it can be argued he lost its very obvious it was a ruse to turn Anakin to the Dark Side.

Count Dooku defeats anakin and obi wan and holds his own againt yoda,
It then takes a much more experence obi wan and anakin to beat him and ONLY after anakin used his anger (darkside) to overwhelm him.

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Lurkz
02.27.2012 , 04:52 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by LordOfMassacre View Post
The Darkside IS STRONGER, the only disagreements are from fan boys or players who are mad they choose a jedi.

Darth Sion was immortal he could not die in battle, the only way he was defeated was to be convinced to let go of his pain.

NO JEDI EVER had such a power.

Darth Nihiliuos DEVOURED ENTIRE frackin planets, he devoured thousands of jedi without even needing to draw his lightsaber. he was only defeated for his "connection" or love for his apprentice, in other words his last straw of humanity. He was the Dark Side made manifest.

NO JEDI EVER came close to such a power


Darth Revan a Jedi Master turned to the Dark Side and became MORE POWERFUL, had he remained a Jedi he would be too weak and indeed the republic would have remained too weak too resist the madalorians or the True Sith Empire.

Lastly look at all the fights in the movies,

Darth Maul is taken down by TWO jedis, and he kills one

Darth Sidious kills three Jedi Masters and draws with Mace although it can be argued he lost its very obvious it was a ruse to turn Anakin to the Dark Side.

Count Dooku defeats anakin and obi wan and holds his own againt yoda,
It then takes a much more experence obi wan and anakin to beat him and ONLY after anakin used his anger (darkside) to overwhelm him.
The dark side is more powerful in the short term as it is a quicker path to power. In the long term, it is no more powerful than the light side. Just look at Luke. He -could- do everything you just stated. But, being a Jedi not a Sith, he -chooses- not to. It's not a case of "Oh, Sith can do this and Jedi can't", it's a case of "BOTH can do this and the Jedi CHOOSE not to."
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AngelousWang
02.27.2012 , 04:53 PM | #26
Force Lightning is just pure Darkside energy in raw form, channeled through the user.

You can of course do the same with Lightside energy but it would be difficult and weaker (which explain why Electric Judgment never killed anyone, but rather sapped their strength instead rendered them unconscious) , as Lightside force energy isn't inherently destructive like Darkside energy is.
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VanorDM
02.27.2012 , 04:56 PM | #27
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NO JEDI EVER had such a power.
Luke had much more power then that. He became one with the force for a time, and that beats the heck out of being invincible.

Most of the things you list are things that no light side Jedi would ever do, so it's not a matter of if they couldn't have that power, it's that they wouldn't have that power.

George Lucas himself and sources in the movie have said that the Dark Side is not stronger, just easier.

Also if the dark side was actually stronger, they Luke wouldn't be the last Jedi standing at the end, but rather the Emperor would of won and he would of ruled the galaxy forever. But guess what... he didn't, he died and Vader was redeemed.

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Skift
02.27.2012 , 05:00 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by LordOfMassacre View Post
The Darkside IS STRONGER, the only disagreements are from fan boys or players who are mad they choose a jedi.

Darth Sion was immortal he could not die in battle, the only way he was defeated was to be convinced to let go of his pain.

NO JEDI EVER had such a power.

Darth Nihiliuos DEVOURED ENTIRE frackin planets, he devoured thousands of jedi without even needing to draw his lightsaber. he was only defeated for his "connection" or love for his apprentice, in other words his last straw of humanity. He was the Dark Side made manifest.

NO JEDI EVER came close to such a power


Darth Revan a Jedi Master turned to the Dark Side and became MORE POWERFUL, had he remained a Jedi he would be too weak and indeed the republic would have remained too weak too resist the madalorians or the True Sith Empire.

Lastly look at all the fights in the movies,

Darth Maul is taken down by TWO jedis, and he kills one

Darth Sidious kills three Jedi Masters and draws with Mace although it can be argued he lost its very obvious it was a ruse to turn Anakin to the Dark Side.

Count Dooku defeats anakin and obi wan and holds his own againt yoda,
It then takes a much more experence obi wan and anakin to beat him and ONLY after anakin used his anger (darkside) to overwhelm him.
You've pretty much missed the whole point of star wars and the force. The dark side is like overdosing on steroids, it will give you a quick rise to extreme power. However it is impossible to maintain, and you will eventually destroy yourself. It is chaos, as opposed to the light sides balance and order.

In the end the light side will always win, because the facets which embody it, such as patience and restraint, are the polar opposites which causes the fall of dark side users.

Individuals with mastery of the dark side will normally have the advantage over those with mastery of the light, but the overall picture is what matters, and its that eventually the light will overcome the dark.

Edit: Not even mentioning that the most powerful force user ever was a light side Jedi...

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LordOfMassacre
02.27.2012 , 05:12 PM | #29
Fail logic regarding the fight between luke vs vader and emperor.

Luke defeated Vader by using his anger ( the Dark Side)

The emperor was only defeated because Vader turned on him suddenly and unexpectedly and even then he endured according to the later books.

As for Jedi having the above powers? load of bs prove it or QFT



The best example of the Darkside being stronger can be seen in this game,

Shatela shan the Grand Master of the Jedi Order and perhaps the strongest jedi in this era nearly got killed by Darth Malgus in the trailer Returned. She only survived by a saber throw from a MAster.


ROund two: the trailer HOPE

Darth Malgus is blown to hell from a persistant trooper, despite this he severs statela shans saber and nearly kills her. Hes then blown up again and finally defeated but survives.


Now Darth Malgus was a powerful Sithlord for sure but pales in comparison to Darth Viatate the Emperor Who crushed and absored a planet of Sithlords and achieved Immortality.


IF Darth Malgus has proven to be more powerful than the Greatets Jedi in this era, What comparion can there be when Malgus is nothing to the Most powerful SITH, the Emperor?

Thus the Darkside is STONGER.

Quoting Yoda that its more seductive but equal is not accurate as he was a champion of the Light, Had he admited it was stronger Luke would probally just joined his Father and Ruled the Galaxy as Father and Son.

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VanorDM
02.27.2012 , 05:18 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by LordOfMassacre View Post
Luke defeated Vader by using his anger ( the Dark Side)
No actually he didn't. He redeemed Vader by using the light side. If Vader had not been redeemed, then the Emperor would of killed Luke and that would of been the end of the Jedi for good.

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and even then he endured according to the later books.
He sent his soul into clones in the later books, clones which were defeated by Luke in straight up fights.

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As for Jedi having the above powers? load of bs prove it or QFT
Prove what? That they didn't use the same types of powers as Sith? How exactly should I prove something that never happened?

Powers much greater then anything you listed? Check out the various EU sources it's all there.

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She only survived by a saber throw from a MAster.
She was a padawan at that point, or else just became a Jedi knight. She went on to not only block Malus' saber with her bare hand, she defeated him in a straight up fight.

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Quoting Yoda that its more seductive but equal is not accurate
Yes it is in fact accurate. Because not only did Yoda say it, but George Lucas said it. In the SW universe the dark side is not stronger, because the person who created the universe said so.