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Madness assassin PVE rotation


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Phenomriel
02.26.2012 , 07:43 PM | #1
Any madness assassin PVE players there wanna share their rotation? I recently respec'ed to the madness tree because I am finding I am squishy in boss fights as Deception. I also love deathfield and love the fact that I can be more ranged. I am recently speced like this: http://swtorsithassassin.com/2011/12/madness-assassin/. I am being told by folks though that I should really be using more melee attacks and not doing a lot of lightning powers because I need to get raze up as much as possible and this rotation doesn't give priority to melee attacks. I am thinking that if I want to go back to more melee attacks, then I'm better off going back to my old Deception build. But I really like Madness. Any opinions?

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Monedra
02.26.2012 , 07:53 PM | #2
I play madness in both pvp and pve, imo it is our best spec. You should never be using anything with a cast time, with the exception of force lightning under recklessness.

I generally start off with deathfield to get the deathmarks up, then discharge followed by creeping terror, shock, thrash until raze procs, crushing darkness, then thrash and keep dots up using deathfield on cooldown and saber strike when im low on force. The spec is still mostly melee except you have more uptime than deception. If you are looking for a caster playstyle an assassin is not the class for you.

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Phenomriel
02.26.2012 , 08:06 PM | #3
It's not that I want to be a caster. I leveled to 50 as deception and have been deception until recently. I just wanted some range because I find myself squishy in boss fights with AOE damages. I'd rather be alive till the end of the fight instead of dealing oodles of damage but dying quickly. I find the madness tree with the heals is helpful. I will try your rotation and see how I like it. Thanks.

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remorze
02.26.2012 , 09:56 PM | #4
i start out with shock, so i can just watch that buff so i know when to reapply my dots, dot em up, death field, thrash spam. shock, dots, death field every cooldown, and crushing when it procs

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Chushingura
02.27.2012 , 06:42 AM | #5
My preferred rotation:

Death Field (for the deathmarks)
Creeping Terror (yay 30 meter instant spell)
Discharge
Shock
Thrash
Crushing Darkness (with Raze procs)

Then I'll typically Thrash once or twice more then squeeze in 1 or 2 Saber Strikes. By that time Death Field is off CD and the rotation begins again. Once the boss is sub 30% I also Assassinate on CD.

Note - The madness spec I use doesn't include Maul. I go up the Darkness tree for Lightning Recovery 'cause I'm the puzzle ***** for Fabricator (guild is only on 8-man normal right now so we use 1 dps for the puzzle).
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deags
02.27.2012 , 06:46 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Phenomriel View Post
It's not that I want to be a caster. I leveled to 50 as deception and have been deception until recently. I just wanted some range because I find myself squishy in boss fights with AOE damages. I'd rather be alive till the end of the fight instead of dealing oodles of damage but dying quickly. I find the madness tree with the heals is helpful. I will try your rotation and see how I like it. Thanks.
on that point, when you were playing as a deception did you put 2 points into Entropic Field, reducing AOE dmg by 30% has been more then enough for me to allow for the time to get out of the AOE with health to spare.
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Phenomriel
03.01.2012 , 09:32 PM | #7
Hmmm actually no, I did not pick up Entropic Field when I was Deception.

I am actually enjoying the Madness rotation suggested. Thanks.

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Qonor
03.02.2012 , 09:48 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Chushingura View Post
Note - The madness spec I use doesn't include Maul. I go up the Darkness tree for Lightning Recovery 'cause I'm the puzzle ***** for Fabricator (guild is only on 8-man normal right now so we use 1 dps for the puzzle).
My Madness spec doesn't include Maul either. Good to know I'm not alone.
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Enexemander
03.02.2012 , 11:19 AM | #9
The rotation is pretty simple, really.

The highest DPS you can get is to have Crushing Darkness eating your Death Charges, so you want to set yourself up for that to happen as often as possible. This is our main goal, so keep it in mind when you're setting up a rotation.

You want death charges, so use deathfield.

Next, Discharge. You're putting that there to get Raze procs (instant cast Crushing Darkness)

Shock (to get the 10% bonus damage to melee)

Thrash to get Raze-> Crushing Darkness.

Here's the thing about Creeping Terror- it does less damage than both Discharge and Crushing Darkness, so you don't really want it eating Death Charges unless you get unlucky with Raze procs (it happens), your target is 30m away, or you're using it for the resolveless stun utility in PvP.

Basically, you've just got to keep the main goal in mind-> I want Crushing Darkness to eat Death Charges. Everything else will flow from that.

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KavikaDestroyer
03.02.2012 , 12:47 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Enexemander View Post
The rotation is pretty simple, really.

The highest DPS you can get is to have Crushing Darkness eating your Death Charges, so you want to set yourself up for that to happen as often as possible. This is our main goal, so keep it in mind when you're setting up a rotation.

You want death charges, so use deathfield.

Next, Discharge. You're putting that there to get Raze procs (instant cast Crushing Darkness)

Shock (to get the 10% bonus damage to melee)

Thrash to get Raze-> Crushing Darkness.

Here's the thing about Creeping Terror- it does less damage than both Discharge and Crushing Darkness, so you don't really want it eating Death Charges unless you get unlucky with Raze procs (it happens), your target is 30m away, or you're using it for the resolveless stun utility in PvP.

Basically, you've just got to keep the main goal in mind-> I want Crushing Darkness to eat Death Charges. Everything else will flow from that.
Are you suggesting not using Creeping? Maybe not going x/x/31...very interesting. I'll have to do some napkin math on this. Thanks for the idea