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The Darth Apprentices & their failures

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The Darth Apprentices & their failures

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Darth_Solrac
02.26.2012 , 01:58 PM | #1
I'm starting to think that ONLY Sith apprentices who kill their master (thereby becoming true Sith Lords) should be given that coveted & prestigious title.

I know this is also totally at the discretion & will of the master tho. Two good examples are Sidious' apprentices.

Darth Maul: Sidious chose to make him a Sith Lord too early I say. This is evidenced by his being killed by Obi Wan (still a Padawon officially then). Maul was grossly overconfident & not well versed enough in the force & Dark Side teaching & history it also seems.

Darth Vader: Again, Sidious decided too early. As again, he was grossly cocky, & knew next to nothing of the Dark Side then. Again, Obi Wan is the foil & proof.

The same argument can even be made for Darth Tyrannus I think. Sidious' discretion on this mater is actually.....horrendous I'm starting to see.

Thoughts?
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Mechavomit
02.26.2012 , 02:08 PM | #2
I don't think you should mix this with the Rule of Two. For you see, with the RoT the apprentice automatically becomes a Sith Lord, a Darth. He earns this title by proving worthy of becoming an apprentice to this master.
I'm not sure when exactly Maul got this title, but I know he had to go through some serious **** as a kid. He earned it.

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Darth_Solrac
02.26.2012 , 02:17 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Mechavomit View Post
I don't think you should mix this with the Rule of Two. For you see, with the RoT the apprentice automatically becomes a Sith Lord, a Darth. He earns this title by proving worthy of becoming an apprentice to this master.
I'm not sure when exactly Maul got this title, but I know he had to go through some serious **** as a kid. He earned it.
Always tho? I remember other apprentices to other Sith Lords (Ventress comes to mind) never automatically received Darth status. Also, Sidious put Maul through some grueling trial in a cave somewhere if I remember correctly.

Lastly, an argument can be made for Vader, but I see Maul as being seriously unprepared for the power, responsibilities, enemies, etc. that come with that title.
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Guild: Imperial Army.
Darth (Markos) Solrac: LV 50, Dark Sith Sorcerer.
Draykos Solrac: LV 29, Dark grey Jedi Guardian.

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Mechavomit
02.26.2012 , 02:45 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Solrac View Post
Always tho? I remember other apprentices to other Sith Lords (Ventress comes to mind) never automatically received Darth status. Also, Sidious put Maul through some grueling trial in a cave somewhere if I remember correctly.

Lastly, an argument can be made for Vader, but I see Maul as being seriously unprepared for the power, responsibilities, enemies, etc. that come with that title.
Ventress was never intended as a Sith. In the Dark Rendezvous novel she begs Dooku to make her a Sith (by killing Sidious together), but he refuses. She was an assassin, a dark jedi, she couldn't become a Sith because there were already two of them - Dooku and Sid.

It is rumored that Maul was just a tool. In any case, he wasn't a real Sith because at that time Sidious was still an apprentice of Plegueueueis (spelling?). Maul. of course, thought it was "for realz", but it wasn't.

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BrandonSM
02.26.2012 , 03:14 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Solrac View Post
Always tho? I remember other apprentices to other Sith Lords (Ventress comes to mind) never automatically received Darth status. Also, Sidious put Maul through some grueling trial in a cave somewhere if I remember correctly.

Lastly, an argument can be made for Vader, but I see Maul as being seriously unprepared for the power, responsibilities, enemies, etc. that come with that title.
Ventress, Grevious and Starkiller were not Sith Lords.
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BrandonSM
02.26.2012 , 03:15 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Mechavomit View Post
Ventress was never intended as a Sith. In the Dark Rendezvous novel she begs Dooku to make her a Sith (by killing Sidious together), but he refuses. She was an assassin, a dark jedi, she couldn't become a Sith because there were already two of them - Dooku and Sid.




It is rumored that Maul was just a tool. In any case, he wasn't a real Sith because at that time Sidious was still an apprentice of Plegueueueis (spelling?). Maul. of course, thought it was "for realz", but it wasn't.
Ventress never said anyhting about killing Sid. She was unaware of the RO2 if I'm correct.


And Maul was a tool but he was still a Sith. After the Grand Plan was initiated I'd like to think the Ro2 didn't exist anymore.
Hapan: "This creature has information that could lead us to a woman who has been kidnapped. We will get that information."
Luke: "This woman is a citizen of the New Republic, and if you do not take your hands off her, I will take your hands off you."

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Mechavomit
02.26.2012 , 03:23 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by BrandonSM View Post
Ventress never said anyhting about killing Sid. She was unaware of the RO2 if I'm correct.
Not sure about the RO2, but in that novel she clearly states something along the lines of "Let's kill your master! Then I can become your apprentice, blah blah, Sith"

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knightrune
02.26.2012 , 04:17 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Mechavomit View Post
Plegueueueis (spelling?).
Just spell "plague" and add an "is."

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ellrochell
02.26.2012 , 11:01 PM | #9
maul killed qui-gon... i think obi-wan just got lucky. He pretty much bested them both when fighting them at the same time. How can he not be worthy of sith lord??

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Wolfninjajedi
02.26.2012 , 11:18 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by ellrochell View Post
maul killed qui-gon... i think obi-wan just got lucky. He pretty much bested them both when fighting them at the same time. How can he not be worthy of sith lord??
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