Are androids and Iphones declared as "required" for playing this game?

The only time I even use the fleet pass is either when my guild decides to finally start the raid and I am in BFE on some planet or when I get trapped in an area where /stuck is pointless and quick travel is on cool down. Otherwise, it is very quick to get back to the station from just about anywhere. I would say the fleet pass is not a needed in game feature.

I'm not sure what it is you're trying to say here. The travel system between EQ and TOR is nowhere near comparable. I don't even know where you got the 4 loading screens figure from. To get from planet to planet, planet to fleet or fleet to planet, it involves exactly 2 loading screens. Planet to orbital station doesn't count because it is a same zone transition.

In contrast, do you remember the old world to Kunark trip in EQ? Let's say if you were in NFP (the hub of the day like the fleet stations of TOR) and you wanted to get to Old Seb/Karnok/Chardok for some exp grouping, that trip would easily take you an hour if you couldn't find a port. What about trying to go from old world/Kunark to TOV for a guild raid. Even with a guildie port that trip still takes half an hour or more. Let's not even discuss the Oasis to Dreadlands raft ride where you can actually fall off the boat at the zone transition. With all of that in mind, I find it hard to believe that you actually think SWTOR travel system is worse than that.

No it isn't a different issue. If there was a substantial monetary cost attached to the SKV fleet pass then you can be sure that there will be heck of a lot less people griping about not having access to it. The concept of worth/value is still prevalent in the fictional MMO world. With the cost the way it is now, BW may as well just make it free.

Yet you seem to praise the EQ travel system which is famous for its length and tedium. Honestly, you can't even use "long" as a proper description for traveling in TOR, not if you want to maintain some credibility in this discussion. If you are on the Imperial side, use a stopwatch and time yourself getting from fleet station (pick any spot on it) to the surface of Tatooine/Alderaan/Correllia (3 of the most loading time intensive zones). I can just about guarentee you that even with a slower rig, your overall travel time will not exceed 3-4 minutes. If you wish, you can even tack on another 2-3 minutes to get to your final destination on the planet but my point still stands. A total of 5-7 minutes to get from origin to destination is not "long" by any MMO standard.

If travel (intra-planetary or inter-planetary) is truly as long as you seem to think, me being able to finish all of my Ilum and Belsavis daily's in under 2 hours would qualify as a minor miracle. Yet 500+ daily comms later, I can tell you 2 hours or less is a regular occurrence. This is also taken into consideration that I have not used the SKV fleet pass even once despite the fact that I have had access to it since shortly after public release.

Function is not subjective. Function, when used in the context of a tool, is meant to define the proper usage of that particular tool. For example, the function of a scissor is to cut something. The function of a pen is to write. In MMOs, the function of travel system is to get you from point A to point B. That is not subjective.

This brings us to convenience which *is* subjective. Now the point that I am making here is that, people seriously need to reconsider their position if they actually think that traveling in TOR takes too long and involves too much hassle without the SKV fleet pass. The facts (amount of time involved) would suggest otherwise.

Indeed EQ1 were better in most respects.

Which is what is puzzleing about SWTORs.

SWTOR fails on the epic journey and it fails on the quick journey too.



Yes if it was 1,000,000 credits per use then I guess we'd all have ship quick travel by now.

But it's not and we don't.



But vannilla EQ1 was a different kettle of fish in many ways. You didn't gank without reason or serious thought, because you'd end up kill listed, and in old MMOs like EQ that actually ment something. Also in a game with exp loss on PvP death and potential body lost (or full loot on the full loot servers) it was a completely different thing.

For a start guildies likely wouldn't have been soloing in the first place.




However SWTOR is a different type of game, there's none of the persistance EQ1 had, but equally the travel system is largely inferior to what EQ1 had by PoP in the fast travel sense and is inferior to vannilla EQ1 in the player port/summon sense.


Of course function is subjective, a train that goes 1 mph is perfectly functional, it is not however viable for a 200 mile commuter service.

Convience is also subjective.

However what isn't subjective is Bioware saying the are NOT putting in fast travel to ship BECAUSE Fleet Pass exists in the game (even though not everyone has access to it).

Not open to EU market As far as i can remember. ETA might have changed since I tried to buy it at start of january

It's more than four times the price for european customers. Fun isn't it?
At current exchange rate the keygen would cost me $17.5.

On the italian version of the store site it's listed A 12.99 euros.
I'd not buy it simply for that reason alone. That is not a price difference excusable by taxes.

You get what you pay for, that's not discrimination

What it is is self entitled ppl trying to argue this like it's a matter for the UN

1. It's not needed, it's a luxury
2. Without it, it takes 3 minutes tops to travel from anywhere to the fleet
3. Even if it's not available in your country AND you don't have an android/iphone you can still get the perk through an emulator

To continue arguing how you're discriminated over several days is self entitlement. It's a very minor issue which can easily be resolved yet some ppl here refuse to either deal with it or use the options available

Well technically you can get it for "free".

Although that's free as in beer, as you pay a time and inconvenience cost.

However what it is doing (according to Bioware) is blocking an improvement to the Travel system (i.e. quick travel to ship), so in that sense it is discriminatory, because those without it will never have that improvement.

It's not self-entitled to want what others get for the same $$$'s.

1. You CAN get what other ppl got, use an emulator. You just wont do that for some reason
2. No one has quick travel to ship, there is no discrimination here
3. The time cost of not having unlimited fleet passes is 3 minutes max and thats assuming your 60 min pass is not on cd

Yes, i get it. It's a minor inconvenience that you can't get it in your region yet but to go on and on about it is self entitlement. That's my opinion

How does that theory work with the extreme price difference between regions. Authenticator is available here for $17.50. If you and I both get what we pay for, do I get more than you since I paid more?