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Are androids and Iphones declared as "required" for playing this game?

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Are androids and Iphones declared as "required" for playing this game?

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Goretzu
02.28.2012 , 12:02 PM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by KittyPrawn View Post
Are you new to the internet? Fun fact: a majority of people who use computers are not intelligent in terms of security.

My dad's email has been hacked no less than 3 times this week.

But why should people that are "intelligent in terms of security" have to put up safeguards purposely designed for those that are not?

The is the train of reason that ends up with "warning: boiling water contained" stickers on kettles.
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jedi-outcast
02.28.2012 , 12:23 PM | #302
OP has a completely valid complaint. Most folks in here are arguing that the security key perks are optional and easily attainable. Fine. I have no problem with the manner in which they are implemented.

But in making that argument you are inherently admitting to the fact that these are luxuries/conveniences that are separate from the main content of the game. Following along then, if you admit that these are separate and optional features, then how can you simultaneously argue that this is sufficient to address something that is lacking from the main game?

You can't have it both ways! Again, I don't have any issue with the security vendor system, but that response by Bioware was in poor taste and I'm surprised people are defending them for it.

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chton
02.28.2012 , 12:24 PM | #303
Quote: Originally Posted by KittyPrawn View Post
Are you new to the internet? Fun fact: a majority of people who use computers are not intelligent in terms of security.

My dad's email has been hacked no less than 3 times this week.
Hence the moron part...are you new to reading?

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KittyPrawn
02.28.2012 , 12:27 PM | #304
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
But why should people that are "intelligent in terms of security" have to put up safeguards purposely designed for those that are not?

The is the train of reason that ends up with "warning: boiling water contained" stickers on kettles.
You don't have to. You just don't get to access perks that other people enjoy.
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What's this? Something is being improved?! To the Complain-o-tron 5000!!

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ferroz
02.28.2012 , 12:29 PM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Beachcomberb View Post
Cant buy it here. Your post is misleading.
So... where can't you buy it?

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Oneirophrenia
02.28.2012 , 12:47 PM | #306
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
There's apparently a shuttle me up option every hour though (so there is a Star Wars option)...... only just on the security key vendor.
When I said widespread "beam me up" options, I was referring to Dungeon teleporter in that *other* game. That in my opinion is one of the worst things to have happened in MMOs in general. It completely feeds into the instant gratification crowd. Spoiling your players is not a good thing to do because it is human nature to expect more of the same later. Greed is more pervasive than you realize. CoH learned this lesson the hard way with their AE system (player created content). They made the rewards far too generous and easy to exploit initially and subsequently tried to fix it by hitting it with the nerf bat repeatedly. As a result, some people quit and the AE building turned into a barren wasteland for almost all zones except 1 or 2.

If people want that extra level of convenience, there has to be a trade-off. The current fleet pass system (not the emergency one) is already far more generous than I would prefer but to each their own.

Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
The travel times in SWTOR are ok the first time you go any where.

They are NOT ok:

- On the 1000th time you've travelled somewhere

- When you need to get somewhere to help a guildie on a one off quest

- When you actually need to get somewhere in a hurry more than once every 18 hours

- Any time you are sent on an R&R "quest"
I have done all of these things on many occasions and I have to yet to feel I was truly inconvenienced by the existing travel system. If I have to wait a few minutes for someone to get to where I am, that just gives me a chance to take a short break to get water, change the TV channel, go to the bathroom, etc. Maybe my tolerance level for such things is just higher than most. Playing MMO to me is about leisure, it is not about rush rush rush, "OMGWTFBBQ WE NEED TO GET THERE NAOW". That type of mentality may have had its place in the past, mainly in MMOs such as EQ where guilds/group had to rush to a raid mob/camp or risk losing out to another guild/group. In the instanced based MMOs of today, not so much. Maybe my tolerance level for such things is just higher than most.

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CedrionKatar
02.28.2012 , 01:08 PM | #307
Quote: Originally Posted by Sinku View Post
nope its not required to have one. You can also buy the $4 keygenerator. To the people who are going to freak out about that the generator is to protect your account from YOURSELF. Also, it's $4 so dont freak out like a child.
It's $4 in the US? It's £9 (about $14.25) in the UK, exactly the same price as one months subscription. You do get free economy postage, but Origin doesn't state what Economy delivery means or give an estimate for delivery. I suppose that extra $10 is all taxes and delivery costs not price gouging .

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InnateOne
02.28.2012 , 01:08 PM | #308
Quote: Originally Posted by NRieh View Post
Oh yes it's shorter, indeed. It's 60 mins afaik. They can do whatever they like and move to FP or GTN as they need it. I can move to fleet once per day, same way as all those who do not want or (as in my case) can not use authentificator.
It's also not reusable so you have to buy a new one each use. you can also get a little key chain thing if you don't have an iphone or android.

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Goretzu
02.28.2012 , 01:17 PM | #309
Quote: Originally Posted by KittyPrawn View Post
You don't have to. You just don't get to access perks that other people enjoy.
But then the reason Bioware aren't looking at quick travel straight to ship is because of this "perk".

Therefore it can't be a "perk" because it's blocking a serious travel system improvement.

And if it's not a "perk" then why is it on the SKV?



Quote: Originally Posted by Oneirophrenia View Post
When I said widespread "beam me up" options, I was referring to Dungeon teleporter in that *other* game. That in my opinion is one of the worst things to have happened in MMOs in general. It completely feeds into the instant gratification crowd. Spoiling your players is not a good thing to do because it is human nature to expect more of the same later. Greed is more pervasive than you realize. CoH learned this lesson the hard way with their AE system (player created content). They made the rewards far too generous and easy to exploit initially and subsequently tried to fix it by hitting it with the nerf bat repeatedly. As a result, some people quit and the AE building turned into a barren wasteland for almost all zones except 1 or 2.
No idea what WoW has, I'm afraid. I got very bored of WoW just before WoTLK came out, quit, and haven't been back since.

Most MMORPGs (that aren't WoW) have a better, more user friendly travel system than SWTOR however.

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If people want that extra level of convenience, there has to be a trade-off. The current fleet pass system (not the emergency one) is already far more generous than I would prefer but to each their own.
There is no "trade off" though, there's a superfluous extra layer of "security" to be able to do something that should be standard in SWTOR (and indeed according to Bioware may be standard if not for the Fleet Pass - unless they intended to limit quick travel to ship to Security Key holders only).



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I have done all of these things on many occasions and I have to yet to feel I was truly inconvenienced by the existing travel system. If I have to wait a few minutes for someone to get to where I am, that just gives me a chance to take a short break to get water, change the TV channel, go to the bathroom, etc. Maybe my tolerance level for such things is just higher than most. Playing MMO to me is about leisure, it is not about rush rush rush, "OMGWTFBBQ WE NEED TO GET THERE NAOW". That type of mentality may have had its place in the past, mainly in MMOs such as EQ where guilds/group had to rush to a raid mob/camp or risk losing out to another guild/group. In the instanced based MMOs of today, not so much. Maybe my tolerance level for such things is just higher than most.
I see so your argument is basically "if I don't think it's needed, then it's not needed".

Fair enough, I (and many others) disagree!
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Iskareot
02.28.2012 , 01:18 PM | #310
Quote: Originally Posted by NRieh View Post
Oh yes it's shorter, indeed. It's 60 mins afaik. They can do whatever they like and move to FP or GTN as they need it. I can move to fleet once per day, same way as all those who do not want or (as in my case) can not use authentificator.
I bet we pay for it..

Like the Special ed

Like anything else you pay for in life

Like my nice car - gets you around the same but in different times and style (if you go fast)

Like flying on a Jet first class -- you pay for it... same result... etc..

Like DOING ANYTHING IN ANYTHING YOU PAY FOR AS A PRODUCT....

SOOO while you may not like that some people have a iPhone or Android that gets a pass.. I bet we have a APP, that is advertisement which in turn pays for something, when we use the bandwidth to use it... or the cost... or the app itself at 99 cents maybe.. WHO KNOWS>

In the end... this is no different then anything else in life or a game. You get what you pay for... and if you want it.. you pay for it.

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