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Are androids and Iphones declared as "required" for playing this game?

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Are androids and Iphones declared as "required" for playing this game?

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Youmu
02.27.2012 , 02:48 AM | #181
Stuff available on security vendor, yeah okay, cool, whatever.

Flat out saying that they won't improve on the cumbersome travel system because of a thing available only on the key vendor? Not cool.

Seriously,
Quote:
LthalSavy: Will there be any way to implement a quick travel to your ship?

Georg Zoeller: Not in the short term, but it's something we've been discussing on and off. Currently, given how easily available fleet travel passes are on the Security Vendor, we don't think adding this is necessary.
"We ain't in a hurry to implement convenience for all our players since some of our players have this convenience already available to them!"

I'm not getting a security key, no matter what. I already know how to use a computer in a secure manner. Security Questions already irritate me more than enough. Requiring me to fiddle around with another device/program to access the game goes way beyond of what I'm willing to spend time on, no matter how fast this can be done.

Again, I'm okay with the security key and vendors, I don't want them, but saying that the game is "just fine!" because an item is available to only some of the players, and not all of them, is stupid.

Maybe we don't need any engine improvements at all, some players don't have FPS issues! Maybe we don't need to improve PvE at all, some players enjoy it just fine! Maybe we don't need to work on PvP either, some players don't PvP at all!

*they do mention improving travel in other parts of that Q&A, and even that answer only says "Currently", but that doesn't do much to alleviate the grumpiness caused by the answer.

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Leggomy
02.27.2012 , 03:00 AM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Youmu View Post
Stuff available on security vendor, yeah okay, cool, whatever.

Flat out saying that they won't improve on the cumbersome travel system because of a thing available only on the key vendor? Not cool.

Seriously,

"We ain't in a hurry to implement convenience for all our players since some of our players have this convenience already available to them!"

I'm not getting a security key, no matter what. I already know how to use a computer in a secure manner. Security Questions already irritate me more than enough. Requiring me to fiddle around with another device/program to access the game goes way beyond of what I'm willing to spend time on, no matter how fast this can be done.

Again, I'm okay with the security key and vendors, I don't want them, but saying that the game is "just fine!" because an item is available to only some of the players, and not all of them, is stupid.

Maybe we don't need any engine improvements at all, some players don't have FPS issues! Maybe we don't need to improve PvE at all, some players enjoy it just fine! Maybe we don't need to work on PvP either, some players don't PvP at all!

*they do mention improving travel in other parts of that Q&A, and even that answer only says "Currently", but that doesn't do much to alleviate the grumpiness caused by the answer.
If they give these to everyone where is the incentive to buy the security key? They already give the skill to everyone. Want it faster break down spend a whole $4 for permanent access to the vendor. Prob solved. As far as the rest is is apples to oranges. Pvp is not the same as having temporary fleet passes. I have access to this vendor and have never bought a single fleet pass. They are hardly needed to play.

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Youmu
02.27.2012 , 03:07 AM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Leggomy View Post
If they give these to everyone where is the incentive to buy the security key? They already give the skill to everyone. Want it faster break down spend a whole $4 for permanent access to the vendor. Prob solved. As far as the rest is is apples to oranges. Pvp is not the same as having temporary fleet passes. I have access to this vendor and have never bought a single fleet pass. They are hardly needed to play.
You missed the point by a few thousand miles.

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Korrigan
02.27.2012 , 03:08 AM | #184
Someone already suggested the Android emulator, so all this point is moot. Everybody can get a key generator for free on his PC and therefore get access to the key vendor.
This thread should be closed.
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." - Qui-Gon Jinn.

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Leggomy
02.27.2012 , 03:25 AM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Youmu View Post
You missed the point by a few thousand miles.
No I didnt miss the point. PVP is an entire system where the fleet pass is simply a minor convience. I think its you who missed the point. Comparing a quick travel to your ship to pvp is apples to oranges. Its not even remotely the same thing.

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Youmu
02.27.2012 , 03:28 AM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by Leggomy View Post
No I didnt miss the point. PVP is an entire system where the fleet pass is simply a minor convience. I think its you who missed the point. Comparing a quick travel to your ship to pvp is apples to oranges. Its not even remotely the same thing.


I wasn't comparing PVP to fleet pass.

I was making bit of a hyperbole out of Bioware saying that "Thing A is okay because some people don't have issue with it!".

Quick travel is okay because some people have access to low-CD fleet passes.
PvE is okay because some people enjoy it.
PvP is okay because some people don't play it at all.


Everything is okay, because some people like it, no need to update anything, ever.

There'd be no issue whatsoever if the QA would've been like this:
Quote:
LthalSavy: Will there be any way to implement a quick travel to your ship?

Georg Zoeller: Not in the short term, but it's something we've been discussing on and off.

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terminova
02.27.2012 , 03:37 AM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by Youmu View Post
Stuff available on security vendor, yeah okay, cool, whatever.

Flat out saying that they won't improve on the cumbersome travel system because of a thing available only on the key vendor? Not cool.

Seriously,

"We ain't in a hurry to implement convenience for all our players since some of our players have this convenience already available to them!"

I'm not getting a security key, no matter what. I already know how to use a computer in a secure manner. Security Questions already irritate me more than enough. Requiring me to fiddle around with another device/program to access the game goes way beyond of what I'm willing to spend time on, no matter how fast this can be done.

Again, I'm okay with the security key and vendors, I don't want them, but saying that the game is "just fine!" because an item is available to only some of the players, and not all of them, is stupid.
They never actually said the game was "just fine" in that part, they said because access to the SKV was easily obtained that they didn't believe it was necessary at this time to implement a direct to ship teleport, but that they were discussing it off and on. They do intend, as far as I know, to improve the travel system, however.
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I support...wait, which thread is this? Sorry, I'm following a lot of flame wars at the moment. Uh, oh yeah, clicking!

I support clicking!

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Leggomy
02.27.2012 , 03:39 AM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Youmu View Post


I wasn't comparing PVP to fleet pass.

I was making bit of a hyperbole out of Bioware saying that "Thing A is okay because some people don't have issue with it!".

Quick travel is okay because some people have access to low-CD fleet passes.
PvE is okay because some people enjoy it.
PvP is okay because some people don't play it at all.


Everything is okay, because some people like it, no need to update anything, ever.

There'd be no issue whatsoever if the QA would've been like this:
You are comparing thing A to Thing Z and saying they should be the same when they are completely different in every single aspect. You have a fleet pass for free everyone does. You do not have to keep buying them and it works every 18 hrs like clockwork. There is simply no reason for them to waste time coding a quick travel to ship when we already have fleet pass skill.

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Youmu
02.27.2012 , 03:43 AM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by terminova View Post
They never actually said the game was "just fine" in that part, they said because access to the SKV was easily obtained that they didn't believe it was necessary at this time to implement a direct to ship teleport, but that they were discussing it off and on. They do intend, as far as I know, to improve the travel system, however.
Entirely true. I just don't agree with the idea that they don't feel it to be an "urgent" change due to the 'easily' available pass from the key vendor. Had they said that they've thought about it, but didn't feel it was an urgent change due to changes like coming:
Quote:
Brian Audette (Senior Designer): We've absolutely heard what the fans are saying and have been exploring options to address these issues. While we are still investigating allowing speeder use in Space Ports, we've also been looking for other ways to get people from point A to point B with greater haste. One such feature will specifically affect planets that have Orbital Stations instead of Space Ports such as: Tython, Korriban, Hoth, and Belsavis. We'll be adding an option for players to go directly to their ships from the surface shuttles as opposed to having them run through the Orbital Station to their airlocks. This feature and some additional tweaks will start showing up in Game Update 1.2.
I'd have a lot less 'problems' with it.


Quote: Originally Posted by Leggomy View Post
There is simply no reason for them to waste time coding a quick travel to ship when we already have fleet pass skill.
Nor there is a reason for them to move the fleet pass item to regular vendor, nor is there a reason why they couldn't cut down the EFP cooldown to hour or two.

EFP is everything but convenient method of travel due to the 18 hour CD. Currently it works since there's very little need of ever leaving the fleet after L50. But thenagain, I don't have an issue with this at the moment.

What I do have problem with, is the BW's sentiment that they don't need to implement anything in that regard since there already is a fix for the issue readily available.... to some players.

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DariuszPol
02.27.2012 , 03:45 AM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by NRieh View Post
In last Q&A session there was one thing that seemed strange to me. I'd love to have some clarifications about this matter.



Security vendor is avalible to those who use authentificator system. Authentificator system is avalible to those who use Idevices or androids(for free afaik). It also exists as small physical thing (for price afaik) which seems not to be avalible to all the countries, that may OFICIALLY buy and use this game. It is not mentioned among goods for my region, neither on the site (swtor.com), nor in origin store SWTOR page - client and timecards are all they offer.

So, following the simple logic - unless I buy myself an I-device\android device, I'll NEVER get an access to important in-game feature (Fleet Pass). Though I pay same subscribtion. And we are talking not about some rare mounts or pets or holodancers or special outfits. We are talking about NEEDED in-game feature here.
Not a problem. Join Warzone and Quit. Free fleet pass every 2 minutes.
REMEMBER: People in PVP don't hate you. They just want you dead :-)
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