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Palpatine forgot about the rule of 2

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Palpatine forgot about the rule of 2

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MajinEddie
02.24.2012 , 04:27 PM | #1
He had count duku. Duku had both ventris and grevis. When palp had vader vader had starkiller. not sure if duku and his 2 sith followers were under palp at the same time as Mual. Ifso then thats 5 sith at 1 time. The Darkside only wanted 2. Do you think this is why good old palpatine failed?

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OldVengeance
02.24.2012 , 04:31 PM | #2
Grevious was not force sensitive, but yeah given all the secret apprentices they had, those two seemed to treat the rule of two as more like vague guidelines or maybe like "The Suggestion of Two."

Maybe that's how Darth Bane envisioned it too, but thought "Would you ever follow a rule called "Suggestion of two?"

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Wolfninjajedi
02.24.2012 , 04:31 PM | #3
No, Grevious wasn't even a jedi or sith he was just a cyborg that knew lightsaber combat. Ventress was just a dark jedi, Galen(AKA: Starkiller) was a dark jedi turned light jedi. So no there was only 2 sith at a time.
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Setalle
02.24.2012 , 04:33 PM | #4
Sith are kinda jerks, anyway, they don't need to follow rules.

And palpatine was the emperor. Emperors don't follow rules, they make them

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Bejarid
02.24.2012 , 04:57 PM | #5
Many of the people you're citing as apprentices were not Sith; they were highly-trained, Force-sensitive special operatives - and Grievous wasn't even Force-sensitive. Under Palpatine's rule, there were only ever two Darths - no more, no less. And, no, Palpatine had neither Dooku nor Vader as apprentices while he had Maul apprenticed.

Actually, according the new Plagueis book, Maul wasn't even a real Sith Apprentice, but he was never aware of Plagueis or the fact that he was merely a pawn of the Sith, used to do Plagueis' and Palpatine's biddings.
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Wolfninjajedi
02.24.2012 , 05:00 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Bejarid View Post
Many of the people you're citing as apprentices were not Sith; they were highly-trained, Force-sensitive special operatives - and Grievous wasn't even Force-sensitive. Under Palpatine's rule, there were only ever two Darths - no more, no less. And, no, Palpatine had neither Dooku nor Vader as apprentices while he had Maul apprenticed.

Actually, according the new Plagueis book, Maul wasn't even a real Sith Apprentice, but he was never aware of Plagueis or the fact that he was merely a pawn of the Sith, used to do Plagueis' and Palpatine's biddings.
He was an attack dog, nothing more and nothing less.
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DarkCelestial
02.24.2012 , 05:06 PM | #7
Didn't Sidious and Plaguesis say the Rule of Two was no longer needed. Maybe thats why
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OldVengeance
02.24.2012 , 05:06 PM | #8
The idea that Darth Maul was alive at the same time as Darth Plagueis sounds like a rather nonsensical retcon to me, Plagueis clearly wasn't seen as important TPM and was not mentioned in any Phantom Menace related EU works, but even if he was that still means there was clearly 3 darths. None of the other dark jedi apprentices had a Sith name. But regardless, The Emperor and Vader having so many secret apprentices is really like ignoring the spirit of the law while following it to the letter. There's really little point in following the rule of 2 if you were doing so in name only. The differences between Sith Lords and Dark Jedi was mostly semantic. Heck, some of them went on to be Sith later anyway, like Lumiya. And at the end of the day, you can really end up being a Sith by claiming to be one and then stopping anyone who says otherwise.

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Wolfninjajedi
02.24.2012 , 05:10 PM | #9
Ya but Old, Maul wasn't really a dark lord of the sith...I mean he was just there to be there. If he really was a Sith Lord, then he really should have wiped the floor with Obi-Wan(plot armor aside) and killed him. Sith Lords don't dick around with their opponents, unless needing to.
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OldVengeance
02.24.2012 , 05:11 PM | #10
But he did. Obi Wan survived because of plot armor. Besides, Darth Maul's book (Shadow Hunter I believe) describes him as a "Dark Lord of the Sith."

I don't see anything to indicate that not toying with your enemies is some integral doctrine to being a Sith Lord. The Emperor felt the need to monologue to Skywalker for a while before killing him.