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NOW = 1.7 Million Active Subscribers | 3 Months from now = Guess What

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NOW = 1.7 Million Active Subscribers | 3 Months from now = Guess What

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Febibi
03.26.2012 , 09:24 AM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by Ozzone View Post
Bioware/EA cannot lie about subscription numbers without breaking the law. Server populations are an entirely different matter. They don't have to lie about them because they don't have to talk about them. Instead they let posters speculate all they want just like we see here on the forums.

Case in point, what exact numbers does "standard" actually mean? Light, heavy, etc.. same way. Without a reference to actual numbers, those terms can mean anything that Bioware wants them to mean. They are in complete control of those terms.

I would like for them to get rid of those terms and, instead, show actual players playing on each server and it would also be nice to see the split between Empire and Republic. They won't do that though. I'm even surprised they show # of players in a specific zone but since there are numerous planets, flashpoints, warzones, etc., no one actually knows how many total players are logged into the server.
notice that they had the torstatus website change its format from numbers to the low/standard/high/very high/full format?

they are not lieing about numbers, but they are fudging them by adding in trials
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ninjashadowdark
03.26.2012 , 09:24 AM | #302
Quote: Originally Posted by Zorvan View Post
1.7 million active subscriptions =/= 1.7 million actual people still playing the game.

Can't believe people still fall for simple marketing spin.

EAware counts me as an "active subscriber" and I haven't played in damn near 2 months.

They only get to for another 9 days though. Then they have to count me as a cancellation.

Guess how many more pre-paid accounts will be running out of time soon and becoming officially cancelled where they can't be counted? I'm betting enough that even 1 million "active subscriptions" will be nothing but a fond yet bittersweet memory for poor ol' EAware.
thats because some of us still like the game if you left its not for you ...

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Febibi
03.26.2012 , 09:25 AM | #303
Quote: Originally Posted by ninjashadowdark View Post
thats because some of us still like the game if you left its not for you ...
Many of us love it but they need to fix and properly market that things are better now to win back subs
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WhiskyJax
03.26.2012 , 09:25 AM | #304
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Still seems a little high for the server states.
Think we are down to about 150k Concurrent users or a little over 1.3 million subs.

One major issue/battle since day one on these forums is players believing that 1.7 million subs should equal 1.7 million concurrent users which is of course absurd. And the players who still love this game a losing the battle to this type of thinking.
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Vahzl
03.26.2012 , 09:25 AM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Febibi View Post
I agree, however EA has shown in the past that this is not how they document their numbers. Other companies do the same. Until it is written into law that free trials do not count as active subscribers ...this behaivor will continue
The law doesn't come into it. A subscriber refers to someone with a subscription (which is the word used to define a paying customer). Whether they are in their initial 30 day trial period, or on their paid time is not relevant though, but this is people that have a paid subscription setup on their account, not people who have trial accounts.

Otherwise any corporation would simply create billions of dummy trial accounts to bolster their numbers for all to see wouldn't they?
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Devlonir
03.26.2012 , 09:26 AM | #307
Quote: Originally Posted by Febibi View Post
notice that they had the torstatus website change its format from numbers to the low/standard/high/very high/full format?

they are not lieing about numbers, but they are fudging them by adding in trials
Nobody 'had' torstatus change it. Torstatus changed it because that format is the only true information they had. And Bioware states they change the meaning of these states from day 1 to later on to ensure a more even split of players among servers. 'Opening the floodgates' so to speak.

Seriously, you accuse EA/BW of twisting facts for their own good while each and every post you make you can be called on exactly the same thing.

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smilefunk
03.26.2012 , 09:26 AM | #308
the only reason threads like this have any relevancy is if they're fun...
is this fun?
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Goretzu
03.26.2012 , 09:27 AM | #309
Quote: Originally Posted by Vahzl View Post
A sub is someone who is currently in their paid time period, not someone playing on a free account/trial period. The very definition of the word means they are subscribers.


No, sub numbers are always a bit iffy.

For example SoE used to claim anyone with a particular station account as an EQ1 subscriber, whether they'd ever played EQ1 or not.

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The majority count anyone who is paying for a subscription, anyone in a free trial period or anyone who has been active on an account within the last month. They make no distinction for users with multiple accounts so they will be counted separately.
This is an interesting read on the "black art" of MMO subscription numbers.
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Goretzu
03.26.2012 , 09:30 AM | #310
Quote: Originally Posted by WhiskyJax View Post
Think we are down to about 150k Concurrent users or a little over 1.3 million subs.

One major issue/battle since day one on these forums is players believing that 1.7 million subs should equal 1.7 million concurrent users which is of course absurd. And the players who still love this game a losing the battle to this type of thinking.
Yeah the concurrent users would certain tally more with the server states at that amount, maybe actually little low perhaps (maybe more 200,000 ish).

I think Bioware needs to worry less about absolute numbers, and more about maybe merging for a better gaming experience, then get things fixed up properly and hopefully get things growing again.

Rift seems to be managing this, and WoW was a fairly slow burn with sub numbers initially (it was only at EQ1 ish levels in the first few months).
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