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Was the Rebel Alliance really ill-equipped?

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Was the Rebel Alliance really ill-equipped?

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HARBINGERXIII
12.13.2011 , 10:42 AM | #11
Ill-equipped to conduct a harassing hit & run campaign against the empire, no.

Ill-equipped to engage the Imperial Army & Navy in conventional warfare, yes.

It's why I feel one of the best thing the EU did was have the empire still hanging on years after the death of the Sidious & the destruction of the death star. With Sidious, Vader, & Grand Moff Tarkin just to name a few all dead by the end of Return of the Jedi, there was no highest echelon of command as it were.

However, you still have massive amounts of military hardware floating around the galaxy. So as stated in some of the earlier EU books you have a bit of an Imperial civil war, while the various warlords, governors, moffs, & admirals try to sort out who is top dog. Meanwhile the New Republic rolls in consolidates, makes treaties, aquires members, etcetera.

Simply put, if Thrawn or cloned Sidious was quicker on the ball of getting people in line after the battle of Endor. The empire could have still taken the alliance in an open military engagement.
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JackNimbyl
12.13.2011 , 10:43 AM | #12
The Rebel scum were ill-equipped seeing as they had to fill their ranks with filthy aliens and their technology. Many of the Rebel capital ships were of Mon Calamari design.

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Amaste
12.13.2011 , 10:46 AM | #13
Im tired and by no means an expert, but I love topics like this so heres my 2 cents. xD

Dantooine was basicly temporary prefab structures that allowed them to pick up and leave at a moments notice and Yavin 4's base was built in the ancient massassi temples from the time of Exar K'un. Hoth if I remember correctly that had more time to work on with construction and ice melting equipment, but in the end it was mostly add ons to caves and a previous base. The golan turrets (the white turrets at Hoth) were also 20+ year old technology by the battle of Hoth and not prohibitively expensive, and the older models like the ones on Hoth were known to be aquired by pirates and smugglers for their bases of operation as well. The planetary shield, generator and planetary grade ion cannon were expensive, no doubt, but by the time that Hoth rolled around the Rebellions main funding and source of equipment had begun to move away from "Steal it from the Empire".


"In the past, we'd secretly enjoyed putting down a local insurrection or two, they kept the troops sharp and the Empire feared; but these Rebels were different. They were organized, they were growing, and they were everywhere."

This statement would be a rather fair one considering. A local rebellion is not even in the same league as what became the Rebel Alliance. Where the insurrections would be most likely spontaneous in respose to a show of oppression on a planet or two, the Rebel Alliance promoted an ideal, and the ideal is what drew the creatures from the worlds to join them and bolster their ranks. Defectors with intel, technitians with expertise and experience, soldiers and willing volunteers join together and finally the ideas could be connected between different groups of disidents to form a force that could begin being more then a simple uprising; it could be come a movement with a face, normal people standing up to the empire and even better: making gains.



"Until this battle station is fully operational, we are vulnerable. The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped… They're more dangerous than you realize."- Cassio Tagge

That statement made to high command is not really too suprising, considering the sheer scope of the Empire at that time. With the rebels main source of supplies BBY being stolen Imperial technology from random systems and pooled together, Cassio would most likely bringing this to the moffs because their attention would be just be far above it. Just looking at the amount of manpower, resources and credits it would take to build a victory class star destroyer, not even mentioning a super star destroyer and eventually 2 death stars, why would low end parts and outdated ships be worth their notice? (Hell, Tarkin embezzed enough credits from the death star project, the pride of the Empire mind you, to fund the Maw Installation in complete secrecy for God's sake. =P) Be it arrogance or pride, the notion to the higher ups in the Empire that the billions of credits being dumped into Star destroyers, current R and D projects and the most powerful battlestation ever created were being seriously challenged by stolen hand me down and in some cases obsolete equipment would be laughable. It would be like us considering a group of kids in Missouri who stole their fathers old hand me down bb guns and military gear are a legitimate military force and a threat to our national security. (until one of them shot my eye out with a lucky shot. :P lol)

TL : DR, Yes, they had high technology and good gear by our standards, but even when you just consider each of those star destroyers above Hoth during the battle held maybe 1-3,000 personnell and cost more to build then the entire Hoth base many times over, they were rather ragtag. <_<
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Wolfninjajedi
12.13.2011 , 10:54 AM | #14
Interesting points guys, but by the Battle of Endor would you say the Alliance was still ill-equipped? Mind you before pre-battle of yavin and pre-battle of hoth, they were still a sizable threatening force to the Empire. However by the Battle of Endor, they seem better equipped and have more resources at their disposal then before getting access to Mon Calamari starships, starfighters and others and having more trained pilots and the like.
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Geladius
12.13.2011 , 11:09 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Interesting points guys, but by the Battle of Endor would you say the Alliance was still ill-equipped? Mind you before pre-battle of yavin and pre-battle of hoth, they were still a sizable threatening force to the Empire. However by the Battle of Endor, they seem better equipped and have more resources at their disposal then before getting access to Mon Calamari starships, starfighters and others and having more trained pilots and the like.
They were out gunned, but they did manage to out maneuver them. Destroying the death star II was a demoralizing factor, along with the destruction of the Super Star Destroyer the Executor. From what I read apparently the entire chain of command turned upside down with the Executors destruction. So it seems like it was a lot of luck and a lot of well placed attacks that turned the tide dramatically for the Alliance to succeed on Endor.

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Arialyn
12.13.2011 , 11:10 AM | #16
The Mon-Cal's were their most modern starships they had due to the fact that Mon-Calimary was one of the few planets to openly support them, and had their own shipyards. Even then, they only had a few of those ships. The rest were retrofitted Transports or Freighters.

As for the more experianced pilots. That could be due to the fact that more Rebel pilots 'survived' takeing hits durring combat than Emperial pilots (shields tend to allow for combat experiance heh). The only 'experianced' pilots the Empire had were those that simply never got hit. The Rebel experianced pilots were those that got hit once or twice and learned not to do that again.. then shared that knowledge.
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Amaste
12.13.2011 , 11:16 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Interesting points guys, but by the Battle of Endor would you say the Alliance was still ill-equipped? Mind you before pre-battle of yavin and pre-battle of hoth, they were still a sizable threatening force to the Empire. However by the Battle of Endor, they seem better equipped and have more resources at their disposal then before getting access to Mon Calamari starships, starfighters and others and having more trained pilots and the like.
Past the battle of Hoth they began getting sufficient support from liberated worlds, most notably (at least movie wise ) from mon calamari. Both the mon cals and quarren were enslaved by the empire for years, ackbar being tarkins slave until his rescue prior to the battle of yavin, so when their world was freed they were more then happy to supply what technology they had and became one of the most open supporters of the Rebel Alliance in the galaxy. That said, for every world that openly declared itself a supporter, there were 10 others funding with intel and credits.

That said, still comparatively they were still vastly under powered, and their entire offensive strategy for the battle of yavin was to attack an undefended, un shielded inoperational battlestation. It was due to the incredible quality of their pilots and sheer luck and sacrifice (ewoks assisting, rogue squadron and wedge being certified ******es in every meaning of the word, and the a-wing pilot who sacrificed his life to kill my favorite movie character T.T sadly I cant remember his name right now, but he did own a SSD <_< ) that they were able to achieve their objective. It was a desperate strike, with their entire efforts on the line, but it payed off in the end. /shrug

/end random tangent xD lol
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Geladius
12.13.2011 , 11:19 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Amaste View Post
Past the battle of Hoth they began getting sufficient support from liberated worlds, most notably (at least movie wise ) from mon calamari. Both the mon cals and quarren were enslaved by the empire for years, ackbar being tarkins slave until his rescue prior to the battle of yavin, so when their world was freed they were more then happy to supply what technology they had and became one of the most open supporters of the Rebel Alliance in the galaxy. That said, for every world that openly declared itself a supporter, there were 10 others funding with intel and credits.

That said, still comparatively they were still vastly under powered, and their entire offensive strategy for the battle of yavin was to attack an undefended, un shielded inoperational battlestation. It was due to the incredible quality of their pilots and sheer luck and sacrifice (ewoks assisting, rogue squadron and wedge being certified ******es in every meaning of the word, and the a-wing pilot who sacrificed his life to kill my favorite movie character T.T sadly I cant remember his name right now, but he did own a SSD <_< ) that they were able to achieve their objective. It was a desperate strike, with their entire efforts on the line, but it payed off in the end. /shrug

/end random tangent xD lol

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Arvel_Crynyd

Poor poor Crynyd. He used to be a pilot until he took a Super Star destroyer to the knee.

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Wolfninjajedi
12.13.2011 , 11:21 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Geladius View Post
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Arvel_Crynyd

Poor poor Crynyd. He used to be a pilot until he took a Super Star destroyer to the knee.
Lol ok now that was a funny Skyrimish reference right there, and yes..poor Arvel...one of the lesser known rebel pilots that was a hero, he did get a medal named after him though.
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Amaste
12.13.2011 , 11:21 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Geladius View Post
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Arvel_Crynyd

Poor poor Crynyd. He used to be a pilot until he took a Super Star destroyer to the knee.

Hah, thank you . He still goes down in my list as a BAMF for doing that, right next to the nameless guy in the Battle of Hoth who died alerting everyone about Imperials in the base. /candlelightvigil

xD
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