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Was the Rebel Alliance really ill-equipped?

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Was the Rebel Alliance really ill-equipped?

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Wolfninjajedi
12.13.2011 , 09:42 AM | #1
So folks, what do you think? Was the Rebel Alliance really ill-equipped to take on the Empire? Thinking it over hard, looking at the movies closely and at other sources I have come to my own conclusion that they were not. Yes I know they were on the run, but even so I don't think they were such a ragtag force like most people make them out to be. With that I will give some insight on my thoughts, and quotes from the movies so lets start.
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"In the past, we'd secretly enjoyed putting down a local insurrection or two, they kept the troops sharp and the Empire feared; but these Rebels were different. They were organized, they were growing, and they were everywhere."

"Until this battle station is fully operational, we are vulnerable. The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped… They're more dangerous than you realize."- Cassio Tagge

Now these quotes really were the ones that started me thinking about the Rebels, and after looking over everything they are right. A ragtag force does not have an organized structure(at least in terms of how the Rebels have it), nor would they be any threat to a superior force which from Cassio a high general is stating the Rebels are too well equipped and are dangerous.

Now throughout the Rebels have Yavin Base, and Echo base(on Yavin IV and Hoth respectively.) Looking at the layout of both, they are pretty big in size and have a number of resources within(moreso Echo base). On Hoth, the Rebels had a theater shield which protected them from any bombardment and a V-150 orbital ion cannon. Last I checked ragtag forces, would not have access to such things of high quality not to mention they had plenty of defenses and turrets around the base.

Another thing is the Rebel Alliance had its own special forces, or specforce now here is where it really got to me that the Rebels were not ragtag. Somehow they are able to train, Rebel Soldiers into being elite and undertaking operations that cripple the Empire not to mention there were multiple sections of Rebel specforce not just one.

So I don't wanna flood everyone with text, so i'll stop here(should note, I didn't even put half the stuff I wanted to say). So folks what do you think? Were the Rebels really that ill-equipped to take on the Empire?
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Polisciguy
12.13.2011 , 10:00 AM | #2
I agree with you. I do not think that the Alliance was poorly equipped. For one thing, think about the starfighters the rebels had access to. The X-Wing and A-Wing seem to be a bit more advanced and sturdy than the TIEs used by the Empire. If I remember correctly, the X-Wing designers defected to the Rebel alliance and gave the X-Wing designs to the rebels.
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Arialyn
12.13.2011 , 10:00 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
So folks, what do you think? Was the Rebel Alliance really ill-equipped to take on the Empire? Thinking it over hard, looking at the movies closely and at other sources I have come to my own conclusion that they were not. Yes I know they were on the run, but even so I don't think they were such a ragtag force like most people make them out to be. With that I will give some insight on my thoughts, and quotes from the movies so lets start.
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"In the past, we'd secretly enjoyed putting down a local insurrection or two, they kept the troops sharp and the Empire feared; but these Rebels were different. They were organized, they were growing, and they were everywhere."

"Until this battle station is fully operational, we are vulnerable. The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped… They're more dangerous than you realize."- Cassio Tagge

Now these quotes really were the ones that started me thinking about the Rebels, and after looking over everything they are right. A ragtag force does not have an organized structure, nor would they be any threat to a superior force which from Cassio a high general is stating the Rebels are too well equipped and are dangerous.

Now throughout the Rebels have Yavin Base, and Echo base(on Yavin IV and Hoth respectively.) Looking at the layout of both, they are pretty big in size and have a number of resources within(moreso Echo base). On Hoth, the Rebels had a theater shield which protected them from any bombardment and a V-150 orbital ion cannon. Last I checked ragtag forces, would not have access to such things of high quality not to mention they had plenty of defenses and turrets around the base.

Another thing is the Rebel Alliance had its own special forces, or specforce now here is where it really got to me that the Rebels were not ragtag. Somehow they are able to train, Rebel Soldiers into being elite and undertaking operations that cripple the Empire not to mention there were multiple sections of Rebel specforce not just one.

So I don't wanna flood everyone with text, so i'll stop here(should note, I didn't even put half the stuff I wanted to say). So folks what do you think? Were the Rebels really that ill-equipped to take on the Empire?
They were 'rag-tag' in that they had no 'formal' base of operations. They were basicaly a gurilla force funded by places like Alderan (in the early years of the rebellion) and senaters on the councle of Curascant. Also the term 'rag-tag' was applied to them possibly due to the fact that anyone could join up. Outside of a possible security check and background check, you didnt have to go threw 3 years of 'formal' military school befor you were tossed into combat, and most Rebel fighters were able to leave at any time if they chose (not durring a mission of course, but afterwards).

As for the equipment they used. Most of it was Imperial stuff they got off the black-market (they basicaly used the imp's own weapons against them, just like modern time rebels/terrorist use Stingers, AK-47's and such they purchase off the black market to fight their own wars/rebellions.) or schematics for weapons they stole from the Empire. The X-wing for an example, it was origionaly designed for the Empire, but the plans were leaked to the Rebels istead (if i remember my lore correctly).
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MasterPAW
12.13.2011 , 10:02 AM | #4
Not only did they have similar combat capabilities they were move diverse as a fighting force.
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Arialyn
12.13.2011 , 10:05 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Polisciguy View Post
I agree with you. I do not think that the Alliance was poorly equipped. For one thing, think about the starfighters the rebels had access to. The X-Wing and A-Wing seem to be a bit more advanced and sturdy than the TIEs used by the Empire. If I remember correctly, the X-Wing designers defected to the Rebel alliance and gave the X-Wing designs to the rebels.
There actualy was a reason for the design aspects of the Tie's. The no-shields were designed into it to give it added manuverablitly (less kenetic force in manuvers with less weight), + feed the indoctorination of invulnerability of the pilots. The no life-support and no hyperdrive was designed into it to feed the indoctorination of loyalty and relying on your commanders. A pilot who can 'jump' away might leave the moment a fight gets ugly.. someone who MUST protect his mothership in order to get home will have no choice but to fight to the death.
"A story is only as good as the imagination of the one who tells it" - Me.

"Only two great species on this planet take part in massive, organized, warfare.
Men, and ants."

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Wolfninjajedi
12.13.2011 , 10:05 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Arialyn View Post
They were 'rag-tag' in that they had no 'formal' base of operations. They were basicaly a gurilla force funded by places like Alderan (in the early years of the rebellion) and senaters on the councle of Curascant. Also the term 'rag-tag' was applied to them possibly due to the fact that anyone could join up. Outside of a possible security check and background check, you didnt have to go threw 3 years of 'formal' military school befor you were tossed into combat, and most Rebel fighters were able to leave at any time if they chose (not durring a mission of course, but afterwards).

As for the equipment they used. Most of it was Imperial stuff they got off the black-market (they basicaly used the imp's own weapons against them, just like modern time rebels/terrorist use Stingers, AK-47's and such they purchase off the black market to fight their own wars/rebellions.) or schematics for weapons they stole from the Empire. The X-wing for an example, it was origionaly designed for the Empire, but the plans were leaked to the Rebels istead (if i remember my lore correctly).
I realize that, but they were not ragtag in the sense they couldn't take on the Empire like most people think. Is what my post is really about. They also did have background checks when recruiting for Rebel specforce.
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Arialyn
12.13.2011 , 10:16 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
I realize that, but they were not ragtag in the sense they couldn't take on the Empire like most people think. Is what my post is really about. They also did have background checks when recruiting for Rebel specforce.
True, but they also didnt have the numbers of the Empire forces. I think the battle of Endor comprised of nearly 90% of the Rebel space fleet. Were the Empire had only whatever forces were set to defend the DeathStar while the rest of the massive fleet was out doing what it did.

They were still rag-tag, even while decently equiped and trained, As they were still a 'collection' of people rather than a 'standing army'. They were more 'militia' than 'regulars' to use a few Colonial War terms =).
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"Only two great species on this planet take part in massive, organized, warfare.
Men, and ants."

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Wolfninjajedi
12.13.2011 , 10:24 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Arialyn View Post
True, but they also didnt have the numbers of the Empire forces. I think the battle of Endor comprised of nearly 90% of the Rebel space fleet. Were the Empire had only whatever forces were set to defend the DeathStar while the rest of the massive fleet was out doing what it did.

They were still rag-tag, even while decently equiped and trained, As they were still a 'collection' of people rather than a 'standing army'. They were more 'militia' than 'regulars' to use a few Colonial War terms =).
Last I checked though, ragtag means that they didn't have uniforms and they had to use whatever weapons they could find which they did have uniforms and were supplied with weapons. Looking at the Alliance Military, they seem to be more like the South and North combined during the US civil war then the Continental army during the Revolution.
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Geladius
12.13.2011 , 10:28 AM | #9
Don't forget Echo base was formerly some colonist/smuggler facility they happened to come across (Not to mention that it fell in 1 day of fighting), and yavin was pretty much one big make shift hangar placed inside some ruins. Their fleet was constantly on the run, and the majority of their ships could not go head to head with a star destroyer with the exception of the Mon Cal class war ships. They lacked a professional army, and what few they had were well trained was a major loss if they were killed or captured. Quite a few of their officers were former Imperial officers themselves that had defected. Think many of the Imperial military thinkers knew that the Alliance was a problem that needed to be eliminated fast or else it would snowball into something they would not be able to control any more.

The Alliance was under equipped as in, they did not have the numbers or logistics to commit to a all out standing fight like you seen in the clone wars, so they relied heavily on hit and run or sabotage for the most part. Many of the rebels worked out of cells, many of which had little to no contact with the main fleet.

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Delsana
12.13.2011 , 10:40 AM | #10
They had some planets supporting them secretly, that in itself is a lot of support and military hardware.

They just didn't have thousands of Star Destroyers.