Sorcs and Sages need 2 Stances so they cannot Heal and DPS at the same time.

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I have a 50 Gunslinger and a 50 Sorcerer.

You are correct, Sorcerers don't have a real "defining weakness", but then they don't have a real "defining strength" either. They can do a lot of things reasonably well, DPS, cast a few heals, and pretty good CC.

DPS Sorcerers don't have burst but do have decent sustained damage, they can heal, but as has been mentioned as a DPS sorcerer my heals either take a long time or are weak and they will run me out of force. Yes my sorcerer can run, hide, and heal if given the chance. But how much is he contributing to winning the WZ when he does that?

Even with the Bubble Sorcerers can't stand toe to toe with any good DPS class. My Gunslinger has no problems with Sorcerers that try that he has much better burst and a pretty good assortment of damage mitigation, cc, etc.

For the running Sorcerer I use leg shot on my Gunslinger or debilitate I think it is called on my Sniper (yes I have a sniper also). Once the bubble is down they go down pretty fast and the bubble bursts quickly

Bottom line - While there are a number of balancing issues in the game for a variety of classes the kinds of changes advocated here for Sorcerers/Sages would completely change the character of the class and I don't believe that is necessary.

As opposed to Sorc/Sages who can do anything any time any where? You don't even have a leg to stand on. You're drawing parallels that neither exist nor apply. Connecting dots that are worlds apart. Tanks are ALREADY limited by stance. Sorc/Sage is limited by... nothing. Yea, still /signed. BTW, damage is a part of tanking. You need to do damage to hold threat. That argument falls flat on its face too.

What makes it more ironic is that commando and mercs when composing to together more than one, can actually nullify ones armor close to completely, giving that stacks from grav rounds and tracer missile, be added by several at ones. effectively when stacked to 5 by 3 persons can debuff you for 60% your armor, add that into their stance giving them another 35% that almost armor -100%, but somehow this doesn't have any focus at all, people are far more worried about being snared by a sorcerer.

Our damage output is limited by stances, guard requires tank stance, the only thing you can do in dps stance is your taunt/aoe taunt. Not to mention what is said here, if you nerf damage output in tank stance then we don't hold threat and can't do our job in PVE. This game is not about a balanced 1 vs 1 in pvp. Making any of these ridiculous changes will severely cripple PVE viability. Rather than whining about sorcerers in pvp how about you organize your group and burst them down. Teamwork FTW.

Want to know why Sorcs/Sages don't need stances?

Because depending on their spec they have either limited damage or healing already. Silly carebears should just stop PvPing entirely.

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You guys complaining about big numbers in damage and heals from Sorcs/Sages aren't paying attention. Those players are hurting themselves pre match for a damage boost and healing unhurt people for a heal boost.

What they are doing is medal farming by exploiting the way the game records healing and damage for medals.

I don't know if this even needs fixing because eventually everyone will be a BM with all teh gear, even if the sorcs/sages get there a week earlier than others by exploiting this hole for medals it's of little consequence in the big picture.

Sure sounds like you know what you're talking about.

Maybe I missed the trainer when he gave me a 6 second channel on Force Lighting, because mine's only 3.

The ACTUAL math is that Force Lightning COSTS 6 force not including natural regen. A full force lightning channel is 4 ticks (once on application, once per second thereafter), thus returning 24 force at an initial cost of 30.

This about sums it up.