2/22/2012 -> Can we get an update on where the Combat Log is?

Why yes I do and the pizza I had was delicious......

His point is valid, if everything is cleared without them what is your need for them? exactly you want them, there is absolutely no need for them.

Stop it already -

From the Urban Dictionary:

10. nazi
A very strict, mean, rude, evil person.

2. more recently, it has become a slang term used to described people who are overly concerned about details (in an unhealthy way), and like to correct others on every occasion they get.

Just because you don't know all of the definitions it is used for, doesn't mean others don't.

And by the way - that is the exact behavior portrayed by min/maxers that use a parser as a tool against others when misused. So my choice for words was quite appropriate when I was describing min/maxers in pug settings.

This is still going on?

There's no right answer. It just boils down to whether or not the developers want to provide this information to the player-base.

Everything everyone is saying is correct to an extent. Parsers do enable a type of behavior or mind-set, keeping them out of the game will preclude those avenues.

Nevertheless, elitist players are going to be elitist however they're able. This entire thread is simply arguing degrees. Introducing or excluding combat logs doesn't change anything fundamental to the game community. It simply creates new tools to be espoused by the types of players that already exist.

Is there not being a combat log a rule of the game? I think we can see it like that and even if we only could see it like that we should. If you look at it like this and think about the demand that exists for being able to maximize your gameplay or that people in (certain kind of) raids should be encouraged to maximize theirs. You can maximize your gameplay just as well if there's no combat log but it simply becomes different.

That a lot of players are used to maximize their gameplay through combat logs (and what comes with that) does not mean that a game who doesn't suply them with one is lacking something: it simply means that it's a different game.

In the end it still comes down to personal prefrence as to how
you want to be able to maximize your game but consider this: to what extent does your habbit here prevent you from enjoying something new that might be much more fun?

Says who? You? Coo stowie brah!!

Why Urban Dictonary? You do realize that's not a real dictionary right? Here is what it says about Nazi in the real dictionary:


A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.


Also, there is no such thing as a correct perception of morality, all of these laws that you follow are created by people who have a certain perception of morality, YOU do not have to agree with it.

I must say, you've really won me over. I used to be completely for combat logs and parsers but honestly, you're right; I would really hate to see general spammed with e-peen contests. And that's exactly what will come.

But on the flip side, 13 year olds are going to find something to cry about, anyways. I mean, flex about.

You just continue to prove my point. You complain about the cesspool of Internet users you'll have to deal with, while quoting a website designed by, and for, those very same users to justify your own word choice. I understand the use of the word perfectly well, but if you're going to try and pretend you're the cultural elite of the internet who doesn't want to deal with all the lowlife min/maxers and hardcore gamers, try to actually act like it, instead of talking in the exactly like the kind of people you seem to despise.

Just say what you really mean. You don't object to meters because you're worried about the cesspool of the Internet, because you're acting just like them by using Nazi like that. You're worried the meters might show that you're not very good.

Yeah - I think everyone understands that definition.

I'm also pretty sure that when I used Nazi the way I did - people were pretty clear that i wasn't talking about a German Political Party member that was responsible for the horrifc crimes against Jewish people.

The point is, the guy who made the comment to nit-pick the word I used, has no other basis for his argument. He doesn't like the word I chose? Fine, my apologies.

But he has no argument for the point my side makes:

Combat parsers enable parts of a community, that are already prone to like to belittle others, exclude others, just generally troll and make a commotion in general chat - with a weapon that is highly destructive.

Nobody is saying combat parsers don't have value. Everyone understands the value of theorycrafting and working out rotations and gear choices.

But most of the people clamoring for their use, refuse to admit the negatives that come along with them.

They like to claim the reason people act the way they do in General Chat has nothing to do with combat parsers, and those people would act like that anyways.

Really? That's funny, because for 2 months I HAVE NOT SEEN 1 bickering argument in GC over how someone is such a noob because he only pulls such and such DPS.

I have not seen ANY EXCLUSIONARY BEHAVIOR when it comes to looking for a final DPS member for a FP. I have not seen - "LF1M DPS HM - must do 1200 DPS" - especially when people have been clearing that content for 2 months without doing 1200 DPS.

So now because of a parser the elitest members of the community like to set a Social Pug Standard?

And you guys are going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that none of this behavior is enabled by a combat parser? That people would do this anyways without a parser?

Really? Cause as I repeat - I havent' seen it yet in this game.

Another player that can't read, or comprehend what he reads. What a shock.

I have no time to repeat myself to you.

Read the thread. I have clearly acknowledged the benefits of a combat parser. I have shouted it loud and clear how they can be beneficial. What else do I have to say?

Your inability to put 2 and 2 together is what is appauling. If you can't come to the conclusion that the reason we don't see all the childish bickering over parsers is because we don't have a combat log in this game, then I don't know what to tell you man - other than wake up and smell the roses.

The only reason you don't see the BS behavior, is because BioWare hasn't enabled its'community to destroy itself with an arbitrary tool such as a combat parser.