2/22/2012 -> Can we get an update on where the Combat Log is?

Holy Moly! Its' like you can't comprehend anything else anyone writes. It has absolutley NOTHING TO DO WITH MY PERSONAL PERFORMANCE

Do i need to repeat this for you? Hello McFly! Anyone home?

I don't want to be disgusted and have to sift through all the childish bantering that goes on in chat channels as a result of a parse.

Should I HAVE TO LEAVE THE CHANNEL to protect myself from the nonsense? No dangit, i shouldn't have to do that.

Should I have to game in an enviroment that expects me to change my spec every month based on the latest theorycrafted FOTM following a patch with balance updates? No, i should not.

Should I be forced to withdraw myself socially from a game and group with a very small number of exact like minded people, just to avoid the toolbags who abuse this stuff?

When I can live in a MMO world that currently has NONE OF THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR in any open chat channels.

No - I DO NOT have to endorse your epeen measuring sticks, which ruin the civility and communities within a game

Are you even listening to what people are saying? You keep coming back to the fact that we are personally afraid of being excluded from content based on a parse.

That couldn't be further from the truth.

I don't want to see you linked parse in every /1 general chat.
I don't want to see the constant bantering back and forth that occurs when it comes to an exposed underperforming member in /1 chat
I don't want to get a group for a flashpoint, after 1 pull, a parse posted and vote kick ensues to kick the lowest performing member and now I have to wait 15 minutes to find a replacement to continue.
I don't want to see "LF1 Sage DPS, must be Balance specced" for an encounter.

In short - I don't want the SOCIAL CESS-POOL these tools create, so that you can have your epeen measuring stick, in a game that doesn't require it, because people are clearing NM content every single day on servers all across America.

I cant promise anyting, i see lots of childish bantering already, with or without meters there will be childish bantering if they ever add harder fights. Just cause you and some other players had issues with people that used meters wrong doesnt mean automatically that it destroys community.

In WoW there was meters from molten core, from first raid up to date and reason why it was miss used wasnt cause there was logs and meters, it was few people using it wrong, jsut as gearscore was great addon if used correctly on evaluating potential performance of differently geared people but it was used badly.

Reason why WoW community got "ruined" as some might say wasnt due any addons or mods, player base simply just grew too big and so did the demands on instant gratification due the whole gaming as whole changed in last 9 years a lot also anonymity offered by cross server features added some to that.

You saying that dmg meters destroys communities is just your oppinion and is not based on any real life eveidence or statistics, i never saw much harm cause by it except on occasional BH pugs. Im sorry if it destroyed community for YOU but dont speak its some kinda fact or in voice of majority of community.

It makes the entire game cookie cutter. There will be a "best" spec for every class and you will have to push buttons 1, 4, 1, 1, 5, 7, in that order or you will be a leper. Because you are 6.875% DPS shy and this is just unnaceptible.

Because NM modes are made so easy due the fact that you cant tune your raid group for harder content atm, but in few months when we have those logs, many people may lose their raid spots or try to get better. Or you know, do content that is more suitable for their skilllevel after harder content is added, with people that are mind liked and equally skilled/dedicated.

This argument would hold more water if the parser were restricted to only top-end NM-mode encounters, but it won't be. It WILL be used at all levels of the game to judge other players and deem them worthy, not just the Min/Max NM people.

Please tell me that you see that.

I can tell you this much for certain.

I havent seen one argument in /1 chat over a parse.
I haven't seen 1 exclusionary social manufactured arbitrary gearscore requirement posted in /1chat
I haven't had a member of a group leave a flashpoint after 1 pull based on a parse.

I can guarantee you I have not seen any of this happen yet in this game.

You can theorize all you want - about what you beleive to be a reason for community degredation.

I can tell you facts.

And the FACT is that I have not seen one of these problems occur yet in this game.
And in other games that have this tool - you see it happen all the time.

On a daily basis in fact. And when I play for my 2-3 hours a night, I don't want to have to be subjected to this type of social ineptness.

Why? Because the TOOL doesn't exist in game, therfor it CANNOT be abused.

The tool is NOT REQUIRED. People are clearing content just fine.

Translation... You play with childish people who misuse the tool, so you think that no one should have it.

This argument would hold more water if the parser were restricted to only top-end NM-mode encounters, but it won't be. It WILL be used at all levels of the game to judge other players and deem them worthy, not just the Min/Max NM people.

Please tell me that you see that.