2/22/2012 -> Can we get an update on where the Combat Log is?

It's extremely sad when fanboys find excuses for STANDARD missing features in this game. One of the guy here was talking about how combat log killed WoW..... I mean seriously? How stupid can one be and how far would he or she go to defend a game that is pretty much missing everything that makes a MMO an MMO. Fanboys here are in denial, but they will snap out of it once Guild Wars 2 ships with all the features that have been shown on the videos from the past weekend beta. It's EPIC. Period.

I say the same applies to you as you are not able to use/accept a variety of other methods..only those from the raiding days of walking 25 miles to school, uphill, in a snowstorm mentality.

Dps meters doesnt make content easier, it makes adjust your raid group correctly possible and makes you ebcome better player. Its basica feature on almost every MMORPG since beginning.

So you raided in EQ1 back in the days when raiding was very new concept in these games and raids were massive sized with lots of lackster people. Then you mentioned WoW, can you tell us what you killed in WoW when it mattered?

All your little analogies dont work here about calculators and pencils and whatever. Because you know what? Its a game.

The point is that these games do not ship with DPS meters. Its a gamer add on to make things easier. It was this way in EQ, it was this way in WoW and its like this now in SWTOR.

You actually show yours more. I've been raiding for a very long time in a wide array of games. Parsing isn't exactly new, nor is it some sort of magical crutch to make things easy. It simply gives us data, whereas before we had none and had to guess.

You've come up with all sorts of excuses to try to avoid the fact that you would not be able to identify or even help an underperforming player... and those players will hold the other 15 people in your raid back. I can't imagine that they would consider that to be "fun"...

I'm still very glad that you're not really a raid leader... =)

And now we are back to the orignal point you and I started debating. Players have proven that this just does not work.

Like minded or not, when a tool like this is introduced into a gaming enviroment, it effects everyone - whether I choose to use it or not.

Anything integrated into my gaming enviroment via BioWare has an affect on my gaming. The argument of group with like minded people doesn't work.

Because the people that i may have been grouping with at one point and having fun with have now decide to use a parser too, because of the pressure put on by others - and the min/maxing nazi's have pushed their agenda down the throats of the common gamer.

It is the way a society evolves within a gaming enviroment. The enviroment becomes forever changed. 6 months from now, the community, the perceptions, and the way people go about interactin with others when it comes to grouping up for content has been completly changed by 1 tool integrated into this game.

You need to study the laws of Cause and Effect me thinks.

Thats a stupid analogy. for one I dont let my kids use calculators, they need to learn the basics without a calculator. Problem soliving in mathematics is not about calculators, son.

Meters/parsers were mod based in many games, combat logs were there by default in most games of this genre. reason why there were mods on games were cause people wanted em, many later baseline features on WoW started from an small addon.

Kind of a conundrum isn't it? Fact is - they want a PeePee measuring stick they can all use to feel better about themselves, and used primarily to belittle others.