2/22/2012 -> Can we get an update on where the Combat Log is?

That is cause ToT nightmare modes are easiest raid content in MMOs hands down. Without DPS meters, they can never put any serious fights into the game cause you cant divide goods and bads in anyway atm so content has to be this level that almost anyone can do it.

Same goes for competetive PvP, there wont be any before meters are in the game cause you cant balance classes in any way without knowing how much dmg each ability exactly does or prevents.

I'm asking politely. This is the #1 biggest issue with SWTOR right now...

Can we get a word on why it is taking so long for this to be implemented when it is so crucial to everything in the game...

Oh dear. Another post made without actually considering all the facts.
Firstly, BW will have their own logs and they will be using those logs to decide what needs to be balanced and what doesn't, so your second point is moot.

And yes, the nightmare modes are too easy, so BW will beable to make them harder without having to implement logs.

To use a simple example. At the moment during a boss fight a Sentinel will be doing 100dps and a sage will be doing 100hps.
With meters and a properly worked out rotation you might beable to get that up to 120dps/hps so as a result you can increase the health and damage of your bosses by 20%.
What happens is that you end up with a still easy boss, but one that you have to use the meters to beat.
So, what do you do instead. You increase the next boss stats to 105dps etc and then you see how the players cope. If they can (without meters) still beat the boss then you are fine. It's a harder boss but still playable which is what we want.

Whether you make the boss 120dps with meters, or 105 without them, you still get a difficult boss but (and this is the big but!) you have to learn by playing/wiping and playing some more how to get that extra 5% and you have the freedom to play as you want to rather than a raid boss giong on line, downloading a build and forcing everyone to copy it(which is exactly what happened in pandaville.
option 1 = stronger bosses but with freedom and a learning curve...oh and fun
option 2 = even stronger bosses with meters being mandatory, raid bosses forcing specs, and no fun(most people don't find maths exams fun!) or being forced into a spec or having leet players belittling them.

You can make the game harder without meters!

And to those that say this is the first MMO without meters, Blizzard never added meters to pandaville, it was a user generated addon. And even then they didn't come till MC had been out for at least 6 months.
So the biggest MMO on the market never added meters!

I'm sure it says on the box somewhere it's a "Game", might need to check if it says "Maths exam 101".

It's funny. I believe that it should be implemented for exactly those reasons. If you want to raid, you should be forced into the optimal spec to do so. I am sorry but hybrid specs just won't cut it.

This.

WHy do you want to raid? Do you enjoy raiding with real life friends or do you want the best gear and so play with the best people to get the gear?

Look if meters etc come into the game then my enjoyment of the game will go down.

I have no problem DPSing or tanking or anything and if meters come in I can assure you that it wont be me being kicked out of a group for underperforming.

Content will be tailored around people maximising their DPS.

Many people will have a choice of playing with their friends or progression.

Until the inevitable intrusion from all angles comes in, forcing those who don't care to care or otherwise be kicked to the curb due to comparative number crunching which may or may not be done with proper scientific methodology. Sure, some folks do it very, very well - others enjoy having a bottom-line number to be exclusionary.

Either way, it still changes things for everyone. It changes how content is developed and how groups are made. It helps to change attitudes, and in some cases it brings out very good teachers, but it also can bring out very bad behaviors.

So, all in all, it's not just something that's put in and then used by a part of the populace. It eventually becomes the all-consuming factor in grouping, development and even guild acceptance.

I say this only because of other MMO experiences where I have seen it happen in the community. All in all, it's a good tool, but even the best of tools can be used poorly or improperly.

I was trying to get both sides of the argument there, not sure I did. At any rate, that's a piece of my opinion.

Yep... The old "ignorance is bliss" argument.

Sorry, but that's crap. More information in the hands of players and guild leaders is a GOOD thing. Almost all of the bosses in this game have an enrage timer, and thus a dps requirement. If you can't, or won't, meet that requirement, then you're wasting the time of 15 other people and you should EXPECT to get "kicked to the curb".