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2/22/2012 -> Can we get an update on where the Combat Log is?
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Forsbacka
02.23.2012 , 05:45 PM | #581
Quote: Originally Posted by Chewpaco View Post
End game content in EQ 1 on the Legends server (which you payed double for so you could have a server wide community raid schedule) in the top guild Township Rebellion, all the way through the Gates of Discord expansion.

World of Warcraft - I came and went from, but particpated at different times in my life from Vanilla through the Lich King - missed alot of BC raiding because of RL stuff going on.
Cant say much about EQ1 except comon censuss seem to be that it introduced raids as they are nowdays, but had much bigger raids which brings the difficulty alone, everyone new to the raiding, finding that much competent people etc. Games has evolved lot from that, just like vanilla wow looks hard in rose tinted glasses. But i can releate on WoW better than EQ1 so tell what did you kill in WoW and was it close to release of the instance or just before next tier instance came along?

Btw, both games had logs or parsers in form or another.

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02.23.2012 , 05:47 PM | #582
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
You fail again to answer the very basic question...

Your raid is wiping to the boss' enrage timer... Which of your dps is underperforming, and why..?
Smite it down *****es!

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Chewpaco
02.23.2012 , 05:47 PM | #583
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
You fail again to answer the very basic question...

Your raid is wiping to the boss' enrage timer... Which of your dps is underperforming, and why..?
How many times do I have to answer it? Can you not read?

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO THE LOWEST PERFORMING MEMBER IS.

Look at your resources as a WHOLE IN YOUR RAID GROUP.

Were your Healers stretched to the VERY LIMIT before Boss hit enrage timer? I think not.

Could a DPS acted as the 2nd tank to give you that little extra? Probably yes.

Could you have gone with one less healer and had a DPS spot heal for OH NO! Moments? Probably yes.

These are scenarios that NEVER get explored anymore in games that use combat parsers, because your imaginations have become limited to spreadsheet analysis.

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Taroen
02.23.2012 , 05:49 PM | #584
Quote: Originally Posted by Menisong View Post
Or you fail to see that wether it is absolutely needed or not doesn't matter. Some players like to min/max, you don;t like it...play with like minded players. It is really that simple.
I'm actually not a min/maxxer like he claims... He's just using that as an excuse because he can't answer a simple question...

He thinks that min/maxxing forces people into cookie-cutter specs, but, really, anyone who has been involved in min/maxing in the past knows full well that there is a lot of disagreement, especially at the top. And any player who grabs that FOTM cookie-cutter spec because someone on the internet told them it was good is just as bad of a player as someone who doesn't understand their class at all.

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Forsbacka
02.23.2012 , 05:49 PM | #585
Quote: Originally Posted by Chewpaco View Post
How many times do I have to answer it? Can you not read?

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO THE LOWEST PERFORMING MEMBER IS.

Look at your resources as a WHOLE IN YOUR RAID GROUP.

Were your Healers stretched to the VERY LIMIT before Boss hit enrage timer? I think not.

Could a DPS acted as the 2nd tank to give you that little extra? Probably yes.

Could you have gone with one less healer and had a DPS spot heal for OH NO! Moments? Probably yes.

These are scenarios that NEVER get explored anymore in games that use combat parsers, because your imaginations have become limited to spreadsheet analysis.

In hard tunes bosses, there is exactly optimal amount of healers, tanks and dps. Now, tanks are tanking and doing as much dps as they can at same time, healers are healing their *** off and are all very low on mana, boss enrages ar 5% health left. Which dps you drop from the group?

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XOrionX
02.23.2012 , 05:51 PM | #586
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
You fail again to answer the very basic question...

Your raid is wiping to the boss' enrage timer... Which of your dps is underperforming, and why..?
Not to interrupt your debate..


But if a dps was underperforming, would you boot them? Or attempt to rectify the situation first?

I play with all rl friends and family, so I don't have to worry about anyone flying off the handle and booting anybody. If anything, we try and coach echother to be better.
"Never tell me the odds!" ~Han Solo

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JediElf
02.23.2012 , 05:51 PM | #587
Quote: Originally Posted by XOrionX View Post
Not to interrupt your debate..


But if a dps was underperforming, would you boot them? Or attempt to rectify the situation first?

I play with all rl friends and family, so I don't have to worry about anyone flying off the handle and booting anybody. If anything, we try and coach echother to be better.

That's what real gamers do.

They help each other.

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Forsbacka
02.23.2012 , 05:52 PM | #588
Quote: Originally Posted by JediElf View Post
That's what real gamers do.

They help each other.
Depends what your guild is set for but in non very serious enviroment, thats the idea.

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Taroen
02.23.2012 , 05:53 PM | #589
Quote: Originally Posted by Chewpaco View Post
How many times do I have to answer it? Can you not read?

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO THE LOWEST PERFORMING MEMBER IS.

Look at your resources as a WHOLE IN YOUR RAID GROUP.

Were your Healers stretched to the VERY LIMIT before Boss hit enrage timer? I think not.

Could a DPS acted as the 2nd tank to give you that little extra? Probably yes.

Could you have gone with one less healer and had a DPS spot heal for OH NO! Moments? Probably yes.

These are scenarios that NEVER get explored anymore in games that use combat parsers, because your imaginations have become limited to spreadsheet analysis.
Actually, those are scenarios that get explored by any good raid leader before you ever set foot into the instance. It isn't a composition issue. You brought 4 healers because you need them TO ACTUALLY HEAL. Your tanks are doing their job and adding as much dps as they can already. You have 10 DPS, but you're still wiping to the boss's enrage timer.

Which of your DPS is underperforming, and why..?

It's not a hard question, but you've yet to answer it.

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Menisong
02.23.2012 , 05:54 PM | #590
Quote: Originally Posted by Taroen View Post
I'm actually not a min/maxxer like he claims... He's just using that as an excuse because he can't answer a simple question...

He thinks that min/maxxing forces people into cookie-cutter specs, but, really, anyone who has been involved in min/maxing in the past knows full well that there is a lot of disagreement, especially at the top. And any player who grabs that FOTM cookie-cutter spec because someone on the internet told them it was good is just as bad of a player as someone who doesn't understand their class at all.
Thats why I believe if you simply play with like minded players all of this stuff is nonsense and disappears. Its players that want to join "best guild on server" and raid the hardest content and get the PHAT loot, while at the same time despise and dissagree with that guilds way of running things. Yet inspite of the fact they dont want to raid 5 nights a week, hate their loot rules, don't want to be parsed at the end o fth day they still try to join that guild.

People need to be honest with themselves and simply play with other players at their level, share a similar playstyle and enjoyment of the game.