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2/22/2012 -> Can we get an update on where the Combat Log is?

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2/22/2012 -> Can we get an update on where the Combat Log is?
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sheisty
02.23.2012 , 04:48 PM | #531
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Why even make 3 difficulty levels then if everyone is basically the same?
Progression. One leading to the next. If its not this way then Bioware needs to fix. For example nightmare dropping same loot as hard. This is obviously wrong and needs to be fixed.

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Menisong
02.23.2012 , 04:48 PM | #532
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I enjoy my job as well. But i would rather be home playing video games.
Not convinced you actually enjoy playing them, I think you may like watching them.

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sheisty
02.23.2012 , 04:50 PM | #533
Quote: Originally Posted by Menisong View Post
Not convinced you actually enjoy playing them, I think you may like watching them.
LOL I dont need to be bleeding edge min maxer to enjoy video games. Im the 95%er and enjoying it. might not be the best but I dont really care either. its all about social stuff with friends, thats all these games are all about, the game is just the filler for that to happen. Same as bowling or playing pool.

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EternalFinality
02.23.2012 , 04:51 PM | #534
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LOL I dont need to be bleeding edge min maxer to enjoy video games. Im the 95%er and enjoying it.
Looks like another case of someone enjoying being average or below average, while real gamers want to improve.

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Menisong
02.23.2012 , 04:52 PM | #535
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LOL I dont need to be bleeding edge min maxer to enjoy video games. Im the 95%er and enjoying it.
So then why are you so opposed to a bleeding edge nightmare mode? I mean you are completely content not doing the cutting edge?

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Taroen
02.23.2012 , 04:52 PM | #536
Quote: Originally Posted by Chewpaco View Post
Wrong.

Guilds were taking down cutting edge content long before DPS parses were available. They will continue to take them down in the future.

Guilds are taking down the Nightmare Mode encounters now without a parse.

They will continue to do so in the future.

Min/maxing is not essential for anything. I repeat - add a target dummy with a parser, so you can optimize your spec and rotations if you need to.

Leave the social plague that infests other games - right where it is.
Still waiting for you to not fail that encounter...

You now have 2 tanks 3 healers (because you made one dps now lol) and 11 dps.

Still wiping. Wonder why..? Except now you dont have enough heals because you asked a random heal spec to add his meager dps to the fight... plus people are dying to lack of heals because you had no way of knowing which healer was lowest and probably chose poorly.

So... Which of your dps is underperforming...? And why would you choose to switch a heal to dps when you have no idea who the lowest healer is..?

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Menisong
02.23.2012 , 04:53 PM | #537
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Looks like another case of someone enjoying being average or below average, while others want to improve.
I fixed it for you. Don't fool yourself average people put average effort into EVERYTHING they do.

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EternalFinality
02.23.2012 , 04:53 PM | #538
Quote: Originally Posted by Chewpaco View Post
Wrong.

Guilds were taking down cutting edge content long before DPS parses were available. They will continue to take them down in the future.

Guilds are taking down the Nightmare Mode encounters now without a parse.

They will continue to do so in the future.

Min/maxing is not essential for anything. I repeat - add a target dummy with a parser, so you can optimize your spec and rotations if you need to.

Leave the social plague that infests other games - right where it is.
Answer my questions, please. I'll repeat:

Again, who is your weakest healer?

Oh, by the way, have you ever completed a HM flashpoint with a group that did not consist of 1 healer, 1 tank, and 2 dps?

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Taroen
02.23.2012 , 04:55 PM | #539
Quote: Originally Posted by sheisty View Post
LOL I dont need to be bleeding edge min maxer to enjoy video games. Im the 95%er and enjoying it. might not be the best but I dont really care either. its all about social stuff with friends, thats all these games are all about, the game is just the filler for that to happen. Same as bowling or playing pool.
People bowl and play pool professionally and use several tools and techniques to improve their skills. But in your world, none of them should be allowed to improve just so that you could be allowed to slop your way through every level of play.

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DarkwingGT
02.23.2012 , 04:56 PM | #540
I'm not sure I understand this "unique snowflake" argument. Ok, you feel that your playstyle will be criticized if there are combat logs.

My question is this, in every encounter that's resolved by combat (which is to say basically all of them save a puzzle boss or two), winning is binary, there is no grey. At the end of the fight, one side is left standing and that's the winner.

All combat is resolved in one simple way, whichever side has their HP fully depleted first loses. This is also simple fact.

Now, let's say you win. Great, no one looks at combat logs when you win. Some might but basically no one is criticized if you win. So really the only scenario you'd be concerned about is if you lost.

The argument boils down to this, "I have my preferred method of play style and just because some cookie cutter min/maxer says it's not optimal then I will get unfairly discriminated against." My answer is simply this, if your way is better, the numbers will undeniably justify it. If the min/maxer approach says you should produce X and your "special" way produces X - Y, then clearly your way is not better. We're a group, I don't care if you want to be a special snowflake, if your play style means we lose every time, then simply put I don't want you in my group. This is not discrimination. This is simple reality. I'm not going to go in to group combat knowing I can not win.

The flip side is this will give you great validation if you're right. If your way is superior and us min / maxers are truly just trying to pigeon hole you, step up and prove it. Numbers do not lie.

Of course anything taken to the extreme usually ends up in misfortune, however that's just human nature. Dismiss the outliers and run with like minded groups.